Re: Costs not to go to z/OS 1.7 by March 31, 2007.

2007-01-04 Thread Eric Bielefeld
If you are running bleeding edge, you might want a support contract, but 1.4 is hardly bleeding edge. I know we ran VM 5.1 software until 1999, which was out of support for at least 5 years. When we shut down our datacenter at P&H, we were running z/OS 1.2, which was out of support for 1 to 2

Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-04 Thread Pinnacle
- Original Message - From: "Thompson, Steve , SCI TW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: RE: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-04 Thread Pinnacle
- Original Message - From: "Anne & Lynn Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.comuters Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My comment about the STK Log Structured A

Re: Costs not to go to z/OS 1.7 by March 31, 2007.

2007-01-04 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 1/4/2007 6:04:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you heard that m$ wants to charge for the patches to automate the new Daylight Savings Time changes back to March? >> What versions of Windoze? Mine came automagically for XP last week. Too la

Re: States Outsourcing & Costs

2007-01-04 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 1/4/2007 4:48:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On second thought, don't bother; they'd just find another way to waste our money. :-( >> Or drive up the price of YSB.. _http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/jan2007/pi20070103_791498

Re: Using FTP on z/OS to get csv file from unix box running ipswitch ws_ftp.

2007-01-04 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote: In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/01/2007 at 05:21 PM, "John S. Giltner, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: If the source file is actually using CRLF to terminate the records, that may be the problem. Unix normally terminates files with CR. I believe that Unix[

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Tom Moulder
I would hate to get a reputation as anti-mainframe -- like CC --, but the discussion concerning PSI and their use of Intel Xeon processors to emulate/simulate/whatever they do a z/Series machine should have made everyone realize the power in the non-mainframe chips. And when you get down to discus

Re: ISGAMF00 problem

2007-01-04 Thread Scott Fagen
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:58:48 +0100, R.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >John Ticic wrote: >> -- snip -- >> I'm trying to trace some SCOPE=STEP ENQ's. >> I RTFMed. >> I started GRS Monitor (ISGRUNAU). >> I modified ISGAMF00 member by putting GFLG FILTER=N. >> Then assembled, linkedited, issued F LLA,RE

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Glenn Miller
Hi Lindy, I have used the IBM Object REXX for Windows product. IBM provided a 'interactive workbench' tool with the IBM Object REXX for Windows product. However, I noticed that when IBM gave the Object REXX product to the open source community, the announcement specifically indcated the 'workben

Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-04 Thread Glenn Miller
Hi Lizette, My comment about the STK Log Structured Array ( LSA ) mechanism was a comparison to all the other mainframe DASD vendors ( IBM, HDS & EMC ). The STK LSA is a method of storing the data internally within the DASD subsystem. As far as I know, no other mainframe DASD vendor used ( the I

Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-04 Thread Lizette Koehler
Okay, my curiosity is peeked. We have DMX box (EMC) so for our process for production packs/DR packs we need a total of 3 volumes. So I have my prod pack, my Replicate pack and a SNAP (Using FDR Instance). How does IBM or HDS differ from that. Which uses less dasd and how is that done? I have

Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-04 Thread Glenn Miller
Hi Tom, We have used the SnapShot process on a STK V2X ( eariler model ) and we have used FlashCopy on a HDS9980V. We have not experienced any subsystem performance issues with either subsystem. The issue we did encounter was trying to explain to management why we needed 'more DASD' on the HDS99

Re: Costs not to go to z/OS 1.7 by March 31, 2007.

2007-01-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>No, as another has pointed out, if you want to buy an extended support >contract to allow you to report and have IBM fix new problems without the >uncertainty of time-and-materials, it's gonna cost big bucks. OK! That's a diFferent issue. I would never pay for an extended support contract. I

Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-04 Thread Wayne Driscoll
According to simple google search on "v2x2 disk" it is a StorageTek (ie Sun) Disk Array. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME Software LLC NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sen

Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>V2X2 I've been involved in storage management since 1981 (way pre-SMS). What is a V2X2? When in doubt. PANIC!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the m

Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-04 Thread Thompson, Steve (SCI TW)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinnacle Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy) My current client has a V2X2 and is thinking about replacing it with a S

Re: Costs not to go to z/OS 1.7 by March 31, 2007.

2007-01-04 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
No, as another has pointed out, if you want to buy an extended support contract to allow you to report and have IBM fix new problems without the uncertainty of time-and-materials, it's gonna cost big bucks. We were actually running os/390 2.10 for over a year "unsupported" without costing us any

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Craddock, Chris
> Some of the "squatty boxes" are blindingly fast at raw compute power, > blasting MF engines right out of the box. But how many business > applications are just raw computing? Mathematically speaking, O(0) > the ones I've ever seen require significant amounts of I/O, and MF is > KING for I/O, be

V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)

2007-01-04 Thread Pinnacle
My current client has a V2X2 and is thinking about replacing it with a Shark. SnapShot is used to snap 600 volumes in about 5-10 minutes. The physical tape backups are done from the snaps and take about 8 hours. This DR process is fully tested and works great. My main concern if we replace

Re: States Outsourcing & Costs

2007-01-04 Thread Rick Fochtman
--- The only losers in this could be the State IT workers What are the taxpayers, chopped liver? The budget shell games, which both parties engage in, drive up the cost and reduce the quality of service. What's happening in Texas is happening natio

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Rick Fochtman
And oh boy, I get to be the bad guy again! With all due respect, you guys need to get out more. Your perceptions on the relative scale and performance (and even reliability) of the "squatty boxes" are well out of date. So how many servers d

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Shane Ginnane
CC just wrote: ... > Mainframes have many fine attributes, but > they're not the king of the hill any more. Not even close. Sorry. Damn !!!. You trying to say I should get back to debugging that kernel module I was tooling around with rather than running GRS traces on that other box ??? Man, thos

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Charles Mills
Amen, brother. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. As current events show, you don't win a war by kidding yourself about what the enemy is like. The customer is right. If people are buying non-mainframe boxes, there is a reason. Oh yeah, clever marketing. Wrong. You can't sell much of anything t

Re: How to debug WQE modification by SSI

2007-01-04 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 01/04/2007 04:27:45 PM: > On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:52:02 -0500, Jim Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >... > > The routing to WTO SSI function routines is done by SSI, not > >Console, so the SYSOPS CTRACE will not help you a snapshot > >after each funct

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Rick Fochtman
--- I think it's time to give these young upstarts a "When I Was Your Age" tirade... When I was your age, we breadboarded our equipment - none of those fancy macros for us, nosirreebobcattail! When I was your age, we knew exactly what all those

Re: Costs not to go to z/OS 1.7 by March 31, 2007.

2007-01-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>But, we have found out that if the cutover did not occur by March 31st, it >would cost a good deal of money for continued support. I honestly do not understand this statement. IBM has always supported 'unsupported' on a time and materials basis. We were out of support on OS/390 for 9 months bef

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:07 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Just another example of mainframe costs. > Know the feeling, George. That srt of attitud

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Craddock, Chris
Rick and Steve and others make points along the lines of... > And when they stop laughing at that, tell them how much throughput and > multi-tasking a mainframe can do compared to their wimpy Windows boxes. > How many servers it takes to match even ONE z/OS system, and how much > floor space, elec

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Rick Fochtman
- Hi I was in a meeting yesterday and I had to discuss the cost of shutting off our old RVA. It will cost over $1000.00 to just discontinue service for this box. Well our Microsoft guys said they could buy a small server for that price. Our

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:48 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Just another example of mainframe costs. > > > On 4 Jan 2007 13:16:06 -0800, [EMAIL PROTE

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Howard Brazee
On 4 Jan 2007 13:16:06 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rodie, Rick) wrote: >I had a chat with my old boss from a decade ago. Software, not >hardware, is the real issue. Total cost of ownership for a given level of security, reliability, and dependability should be the issue. But marketing and salesma

Re: How to debug WQE modification by SSI

2007-01-04 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:52:02 -0500, Jim Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... > The routing to WTO SSI function routines is done by SSI, not >Console, so the SYSOPS CTRACE will not help you a snapshot >after each function routine. Your choices would be: > >1. SLIP IF,A=TRACE in IEFJRASP with a D

Re: IBM 3494-L10 Tape Library

2007-01-04 Thread Steve O'Connell
Lucy, sounds like you may already have this in hand, but for info... CBRUXENT works in conjunction with the REJECT statements in the DFRMM parameters (EDGRMMxx), but I don't know how TMS achieves the same functionality. We have had issues in the past where tapes appeared in the TCDB for t

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Rodie, Rick
All of these statements are true enough. But the one that makes the day is the one that says 'but I was able to show management ... and save'. Performance issues, of course, serve a good supporting role. A boss somewhere was recently heard saying of a proposed penalty box 2nd mainframe: 'And wha

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>The biggest "WOW!" that ever happened here was when we had an OSA die. The >second OSA took up the slack automatically, with absolutely NO interruption to >service. This kind of "WOW"! has been around for a lon time! Remember IMS/XRF (not needed with SYSPLEX)? The first time we had an

Re: how to introduce change to USSTAB

2007-01-04 Thread Judy Ellis
Hello all, I was finally successful in updating the USSTAB 1. Linked modified module 2. refreshed LLA 3. Issued OBEYFILE 4. Logged off/on LPAR 5. Started TN3270 session and was able to use shortcut thanks to everyone!! -- For I

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve (SCI TW) > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:07 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Just another example of mainframe costs. > > > -Original Message- > Fr

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Thompson, Steve (SCI TW)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craddock, Chris Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Just another example of mainframe costs. > > I bought an external 500GB USB2 backup disk for a home

Re: How to debug WQE modification by SSI

2007-01-04 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 01/04/2007 01:17:29 PM: > We have been asked by IBM if any SSI (following a specific SSI in the list > of SSIs) could be modifying flags in messages' WQEs. Is there a trace > that could help answer that? I see that there is a COMP=SYSOPS CTRACE > but hav

HSM PPSM tape take away

2007-01-04 Thread Jack Kelly
Is it possible to "reassign" a tape volume to HSM's target tape volumes for volume space management, eg PPSM's T01=, after it has been taken away by a ML2 recall? Sort of like a reversed TAPERECALLLIMITS or In our scenario we only keep a couple of partial ML2 tapes and PPSM will call for a

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Talman > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:35 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Just another example of mainframe costs. > > > Would the mainframe exist if prices had not

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Kirk Talman
Would the mainframe exist if prices had not been driven down by PCM's (software and hardware) to the point that they compete well with other technologies? On the other hand how crucial was Linux in driving demand for Ascii servers? What would M$ charge if they had competition only from non-ge

Re: Costs not to go to z/OS 1.7 by March 31, 2007.

2007-01-04 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Richbourg, Claude > > All, > > For those who have not made the migration off z/OS 1.4 by > March 31, 2007, it will become VERY expensive. > > We are cutting over the end of this month to z/OS 1.7, so we are okay. >

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Craddock, Chris > > > > I bought an external 500GB USB2 backup disk for a home system > > > yesterday for a couple of hundred bucks. > > > You are not doing an apples-to-apples comparison. > > Yes I do know the diff

Re: Costs not to go to z/OS 1.7 by March 31, 2007.

2007-01-04 Thread George Bly
Just one of those mainframe costs. OF COURSE George -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama

Re: Costs not to go to z/OS 1.7 by March 31, 2007.

2007-01-04 Thread Bruce Black
For those who have not made the migration off z/OS 1.4 by March 31, 2007, it will become VERY expensive. We are cutting over the end of this month to z/OS 1.7, so we are okay. But, we have found out that if the cutover did not occur by March 31st, it would cost a good deal of money for continued

Re: VTAMSWITCH and muliple " MSwindows" of CICS screens.

2007-01-04 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:15:50 -0600, Hal Merritt wrote: >Most of us around here routinely run half a dozen or more concurrent >sessions. We are starting to see second monitors on some workstations to >increase the number of visible windows. You are only STARTING to see SECOND monitors on some wo

Costs not to go to z/OS 1.7 by March 31, 2007.

2007-01-04 Thread Richbourg, Claude
All, For those who have not made the migration off z/OS 1.4 by March 31, 2007, it will become VERY expensive. We are cutting over the end of this month to z/OS 1.7, so we are okay. But, we have found out that if the cutover did not occur by March 31st, it would cost a good deal of money for conti

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Craddock, Chris
> > I bought an external 500GB USB2 backup disk for a home system > > yesterday for a couple of hundred bucks. > You are not doing an apples-to-apples comparison. Yes I do know the difference and I know it's not an apples to apples comparison. The point is that the drives for these cheap and chee

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Harminc > > R.S. wrote: > > > > It will cost over $1000.00 to just discontinue service > for this box. > > > > Excuse me, why do you need to pay for DISCONTINUE ??? > > Is my English so bad, so I should under

Re: Dynamically Activate additional CUs on Shark

2007-01-04 Thread Hal Merritt
Try a stepwise approach. Take two channels offline, reconfigure, and bring them back on line. Then take the other two off and do those. Or do the channels one at a time if you cannot tolerate two off at the same time. That worked for me when we did a 'hot' migration from a Shark to a DS8100.

How to debug WQE modification by SSI

2007-01-04 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
We have been asked by IBM if any SSI (following a specific SSI in the list of SSIs) could be modifying flags in messages' WQEs. Is there a trace that could help answer that? I see that there is a COMP=SYSOPS CTRACE but haven't seen a good description of that. Is that helpful for the? If so, is

Dynamically Activate additional CUs on Shark

2007-01-04 Thread Tom Sipusic
Until now my Shark has been defined as two control units attached to four channels. After adding additional disk capacity it will appear to be four control units on those four channels. I would like to dynamically activate the two new control units and associated I/O devices. When I tried to do

Re: Add a partition with IOCP for DR

2007-01-04 Thread Hal Merritt
Tried something similar for a while and finally just gave up. The two locations were always different enough to make life, well, interesting. And then we replaced one box where the IODF's were not even compatible. So, I just run them as two different machines, each with their own unique IOCDS. I

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Tony Harminc
R.S. wrote: > > It will cost over $1000.00 to just discontinue service for this box. > > Excuse me, why do you need to pay for DISCONTINUE ??? > Is my English so bad, so I should understand it as $1000/month for > support (not to lack of it)? It's like the old telephone joke: if you don't wan

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Charles Mills
Based on experimentation: - IRXEXCOM works fine in a non-integrated environment. Of course, I have not used every function, but I have retrieved and set lists of individual variables extensively. - Yes, as you say, a "non-integrated" environment works under TSO, perfectly for my particular requir

Re: Add a partition with IOCP for DR

2007-01-04 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
If your concern is to get to different PARMLIB members, one way is to create a new LOADxx member in your IPLPARM data set which points to the DR-specific IEASYSxx member. Then at the DR site, IPL either LPAR1 or LPAR5 and specify the new LOADxx member suffix. Don Imbriale -Original Message--

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread R.S.
George Bly wrote: Hi I was in a meeting yesterday and I had to discuss the cost of shutting off our old RVA. It will cost over $1000.00 to just discontinue service for this box. Excuse me, why do you need to pay for DISCONTINUE ??? Is my English so bad, so I should understand it as

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mail(s) below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or

Add a partition with IOCP for DR

2007-01-04 Thread John P Donnelly
Hello: We have a configuration consisting of a LPAR1 and a LPAR5 on a Z800 at our home site. We have another Z800 at our DR site which is an exact clone of our home site. We replicate our disk image home to DR. When doing DR tests we spend a lot of time dinking around getting the DR conf

Re: VTAMSWITCH and muliple " MSwindows" of CICS screens.

2007-01-04 Thread Hal Merritt
You have too many products. Delete VTAMSWITCH. Have users log directly into whatever they want with the TN3270 emulator on their workstation. You may run into some old restrictions about a single user with multiple sessions, but that is just a local security policy that should be easy to fix. Mos

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Tony Harminc
Charles Mills wrote: > You can write code that Rexx will call for all I/O including Say. See > Chapter 14 of the TSO Rexx reference. I have done this sort of thing; it is > not for the faint-hearted. I've done it too, and indeed it's not for the faint-hearted. The documentation leaves much to th

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craddock, Chris > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:23 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Just another example of mainframe costs. > > > > When they found out what I paid for m

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
I, too, disconnected an old RVA - about 8 months ago. I was able to show management that they could buy a brand new DS6800 box with 3 TB disk to replace my RVA (with 200 GB physical) and pay for it well within the 4 year warranty period, just in maintenance and software cost savings - and get much

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Craddock, Chris
> When they found out what I paid for maintenance per year for 500gib I > couldn't get them to stop laughing. I bought an external 500GB USB2 backup disk for a home system yesterday for a couple of hundred bucks. So yeah, even though things have come down a long way, mf costs are still out in the

Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread Doc Farmer
I think it's time to give these young upstarts a "When I Was Your Age" tirade... When I was your age, we breadboarded our equipment - none of those fancy macros for us, nosirreebobcattail! When I was your age, we knew exactly what all those flashing lights stood for. When I was your age, we stru

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Binyamin Dissen wrote: By CP, I was referring to VM CP. Not TSO CP. VM CP is a hypervisor which runs MVS as a client. from long ago and far away, I had done IPCS superset written in rexx (when it was still called rex and hadn't been release as a product) ... which was initially line-mode CMS

Re: IBM 3494-L10 Tape Library

2007-01-04 Thread Lucy Arnold
Steve - Thanks! We are thinking it is our CBRUXENT exit. Tivoli manages the UNIX stuff for backups etc, on the mainframe we use Ca:DISK. We were thinking we should NOT be able to view the Tivoli tapes - only the range assigned for mainframe use. Thanks, again! Lucy

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Lindy Mayfield
Oh, by the way if you are VM/CMS, then there is of course: http://www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/descript.cgi?TRACEXEC -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAM

Just another example of mainframe costs.

2007-01-04 Thread George Bly
Hi I was in a meeting yesterday and I had to discuss the cost of shutting off our old RVA. It will cost over $1000.00 to just discontinue service for this box. Well our Microsoft guys said they could buy a small server for that price. Our UNIX guys said they have never heard of

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Kirk Talman
Ah yes. We recently lost use of it and are in mourning. IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 01/04/2007 09:40:14 AM: > . When I was a Cobol programmer, long ago, Xpediter > was the bee's knees, and I couldn't even begin to estimate the cost > savings. They would have been huge. --

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:29:05 +0100 Lindy Mayfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :>I was looking at the CP idea, but (and please forgive me if this is totally stupid) can you start a new CP from an existing TSO session? I think so. By CP, I was referring to VM CP. Not TSO CP. VM CP is a hypervisor

Re: looking for online documentation

2007-01-04 Thread Chris Hoelscher
thank you to all who replied - i got the information I needed Chris Hoelscher IDMS & DB2 Database Administrator Humana Inc 502-476-2538 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If y

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Lindy Mayfield
I was looking at the CP idea, but (and please forgive me if this is totally stupid) can you start a new CP from an existing TSO session? I think so. And if you do, can you "interact" with the parent CP? I think so because of this: QMF is its own CP, no? And from QMF I can go into an ISPF edi

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Lindy Mayfield
Those are good points and something that I thought about. It wouldn't be useful if it didn't work in all environments like ISPF, IPCS, OMVS, etc. Which means, I think, that one would have to somehow start the exec with the equivalent of TRACE ?I and be able to monitor and control the executio

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 07:24:44 -0500 "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/30/2006 :> at 08:07 PM, Binyamin Dissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: :>>Given that REXX supports interactive debugging, :>FSVO interactive debugging; the term normally encompass

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Lindy Mayfield
That was my fault; I got them mixed up. Sorry about that to the Compuware people. When I was a Cobol programmer, long ago, Xpediter was the bee's knees, and I couldn't even begin to estimate the cost savings. They would have been huge. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussio

Re: Using FTP on z/OS to get csv file from unix box running ipswitch ws_ftp.

2007-01-04 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:10 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Using FTP on z/OS to get csv file from unix box > running ipswitch ws_ftp. > >

Re: IKJ574I NO SPACE IN BROADCAST DATA SET FOR MAIL

2007-01-04 Thread Roach, Dennis
We used to have a lot of trouble with this. W went to user level broadcast data sets. See SYS1.PARMLIB(IKJTSOxx) SEND OPERSEND(ON) USERSEND(ON) SAVE(ON) CHKBROD(ON) LOGNAME(USER.BRODCAST) Dennis Roach United Space Allian

Re: Remote Tape drives

2007-01-04 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:47 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Remote Tape drives > > > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > on 12/29/2006 >at 01:07

Re: PARM= C compiler Options

2007-01-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/02/2007 at 08:44 PM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Not obvious, apparently, to IBM (nor to many contributors to this >list (I am not among them), who would prefer to see the restriction >remain). FSVO "many". I've seen messages criticizing specific im

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/30/2006 at 08:07 PM, Binyamin Dissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Given that REXX supports interactive debugging, FSVO interactive debugging; the term normally encompasses more than just trace ?i In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/31/2006 at 10:22 AM, Binyamin Dis

Re: Using FTP on z/OS to get csv file from unix box running ipswitch ws_ftp.

2007-01-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/01/2007 at 05:21 PM, "John S. Giltner, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >If the source file is actually using CRLF to terminate the records, >that may be the problem. Unix normally terminates files with CR. I believe that Unix[1] terminates with LF and Mac OS ter

Re: States Outsourcing & Costs

2007-01-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/31/2006 at 09:57 PM, Jim Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >The only losers in this could be the State IT workers What are the taxpayers, chopped liver? The budget shell games, which both parties engage in, drive up the cost and reduce the quality of service. Wh

Re: Withdrawal of VM ServiceLink

2007-01-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/02/2007 at 01:33 PM, Carol Srna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Where I was born and raised that's not only how " withdrawl" was >spelled, that's how it was pronounced. Along with most of the >English language :-) Would that be Southern with drawl? -- Shmuel

Re: Withdrawal of VM ServiceLink

2007-01-04 Thread Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/02/2007 at 03:30 PM, "Chase, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Pronounced "Awlayawl". :-) Maybe it was a mistake to drop "thou" and "thee". -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 We don't care. We don't

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/02/2007 at 12:51 PM, "Richards.Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >A little testy, are we? Relax, the year is too early yet for >Compuware to take exception to anything! Sheesh. :-) No vendor likes to be taken for a different vendor. I thought that Mark's complaint wa

Re: Remote Tape drives

2007-01-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/29/2006 at 06:16 PM, Crispin Hugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Any suggestions on ways we could have a tape drive 3490 in a remote >location attached to our mainframe. How large is the file? If speed is not important than I would expect the file to be small, in whi

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/01/2007 at 02:17 PM, "Craddock, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I cannot think of ANYTHING where I would consider >TEST to be superior. I've run into cases where I had to drop back to TEST. I don't know whether the issues have been resolved by now. >Aside from

Re: Remote Tape drives

2007-01-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/29/2006 at 01:07 PM, "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >However, if desired I can go on and on and on about another lawsuit >that IBM has going at present. SCOX, née Caldera? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?

2007-01-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/30/2006 at 04:40 PM, Lindy Mayfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Does anyone know how one might write a full-screen Rexx debugger, >like z/XDC or Xpediter? You'd have to take over the input and the output routines. Look at PMREXX in OS/2. However, if you want somet

Re: IKJ574I NO SPACE IN BROADCAST DATA SET FOR MAIL

2007-01-04 Thread Roach, Dennis
We used to have a lot of trouble with this. W went to user level broadcast data set Dennis Roach United Space Alliance 600 Gemini Avenue Mail Code USH-4A3L Houston, Texas 77058 Voice: (281) 282-2975 Page:(713) 736-8275 Fax: (281) 282-3583 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions express

Re: Translation Tables

2007-01-04 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miller, Pat > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:40 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Translation Tables > > > Anybody know where the ASCII-EBCDIC (and vice-versa) > conversion ta

Re: IBM 3494-L10 Tape Library

2007-01-04 Thread Steve O'Connell
Hi Lucy. I don't understand what you perceive your problem to be, nor the reference to Tivoli, but we have a couple of partitioned 3494-L10s. Are you saying that you are running the 3494 partitioned and do not believe that the tape range should be in the TCDB for the Plex in question? If so, do

Re: IKJ574I NO SPACE IN BROADCAST DATA SET FOR MAIL

2007-01-04 Thread Itschak Mugzach
It look like you are using a TSO / Console "SEND" command, not an email. The message might not relate to the email, but to a notify parameter you have in your JOB card. What I am trying to say is, that the message is gennerated as the jobs ends, not as part of your application program. to remove me

IKJ574I NO SPACE IN BROADCAST DATA SET FOR MAIL

2007-01-04 Thread Jacky Bright
Hi , I am trying to send e-mail from os390 using socket programming. But we are getting following error in syslog. *IKJ574I NO SPACE* *IN BROADCAST DATA SET FOR MAIL* Anyone have idea regarding this ? Thanks JAcky -- For IBM

Re: Little ghost between WLM inits & JES2 conversion

2007-01-04 Thread Christian Blesa
Hello, first of all, happy new year! 2th, finally, we have included "$P" to fix the problem. Regards -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-

Re: PARM= C compiler Options

2007-01-04 Thread Jan MOEYERSONS
>> >>BTW: I know *existing* OS/390 application using more than 256 bytes in >> >>PARM. >> I really would like to see a (working!) example of such a gismo... >> >I do it regularly with HLASM called from Rexx (not from JCL). Or, OK, if it is not from PARM= in JCL, then I can see that one can do that