Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/09/2008 at 09:52 AM, "Kelman, Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Hmmm, are we comparing languages a little bit here? When I was an >undergraduate student at Ga. Tech (many years ago) the school computer >was a Burroughs 5500. When I went back for my Masters in Compu

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-09 Thread Kelman, Tom
On > Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:12 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct? > > >"PL/1 is the UnCOBOL" > > When I was a UofW student in the mid-1970's, they offered a PL/I course, >

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-09 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Arellanes > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:21 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct? > > > >I gotta ask thi

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread Rick Arellanes
>I gotta ask this, hope you don't mind. Why is the code generation for >fullword binary so weird? Try TRUNC(OPT), you will get: LH2,14(0,10) PGMLIT AT +10 A 2,0(0,8)MYDATA ST2,0(0,8)MYDATA See the COBOL Performance Tuning

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread John McKown
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Roger Bowler wrote: > > John, > > When you get your nice new z10 you will be able to simplify it even further: > > ASI MYDATA,1 > > http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dz9zr006.pdf > > Regards, Wishful thinking. Managements avowed purpose in life for 3 sep

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread Don Leahy
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom, > > I was also under the impression that new development on the mainframe was > few and far between. > But I ran a poll a while ago and the results was rather surprising. 28% of > responded that they are developing new applic

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread Roger Bowler
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:25:14 -0500, McKown, John wrote: > >77 MYDATA PIC S9(8) BINARY. >.. >ADD +1 TO MYDATA > > In my own code, a simple: > > L 6,MYDATA > A 6,PLUS1 > ST 6,MYDATA > >suffices. John, When you get your nice new z10 you will be able to simplify it e

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread Ian
Tom, I was also under the impression that new development on the mainframe was few and far between. But I ran a poll a while ago and the results was rather surprising. 28% of responded that they are developing new applications in COBOL. (Natural/adabas was 48%.) I was expecting a very low "new dev

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread Kirk Talman
With TRUNC(STD), I put my money on the "SYSLIT AT +4" being a binary fullword with 10**8 since the ST into MYDATA is storing the remainder of the divide. With TRUNC(BIN), this is consistent w/the behaviour of "IBM Enterprise COBOL for z/OS 3.4.1" not using any 64 bit-era instruction, e.g. rela

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>COBOL is more alive today than it was 10 years ago! >Demise indeed... Having recently been downsized from a COBOL shop, I agree. Some of them can create COBOL code to do things faster than I can do it in SAS. And, I have been doing SAS for almost 30 years. Long live COBOL (or for Galactica fans

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>"PL/1 is the UnCOBOL" When I was a UofW student in the mid-1970's, they offered a PL/I course, but (for some reason) it was a non-credit course for Math/CS students. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscrib

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread Kammer, Charles
Grace Hopper would be proud...! Charles S. Kammer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Ross Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct? >(I believe this wa

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Ross > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:50 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct? > > > >(I believe this was a major

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread Corneel Booysen
, April 08, 2008 2:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct? On 8 Apr 2008 10:55:13 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Ross) wrote: >I work on the IBM COBOL compiler, and if you could see the amount of interest, >the number of compiler licenses, the sheer

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread Howard Brazee
On 8 Apr 2008 10:55:13 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Ross) wrote: >I work on the IBM COBOL compiler, and if you could see the amount of interest, >the number of compiler licenses, the sheer number of COBOL programmers on IBM >Mainframes doing new work everyday in COBOL, you would never say such a

Re: (fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread Rick Fochtman
- >> COBOL is the Language of the Future! << --- "PL/1 is the UnCOBOL" :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, s

(fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-04-08 Thread Tom Ross
>(I believe this was a major factor in the demise of COBOL; I just cannot resist responding to this (sorry I am so late, I was out of the office for 2 weeks). I work on the IBM COBOL compiler, and if you could see the amount of interest, the number of compiler licenses, the sheer number of COBOL

(fwd) Re: Is IT becoming extinct?

2008-03-24 Thread Clark F Morris
This probably was cross-posted to both comp.lang.cobol and bit.listserv.ibm-main. Pete Dashwood is a long time consultant who has CICS and COBOL experience. I don't necessarily agree with him but he does have many good insights. Clark Morris On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:54:55 +1300, in bit.listserv.i