Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-20 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert A. Rosenberg Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Bad JOB card through NJE At 09:21 -0600 on 12/19/2007, Mark Zelden wrote about Re: Bad JOB

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-19 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 7:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Bad JOB card through NJE On Dec 18, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Thompson, Steve wrote: SNIP

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-19 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:46:48 -0800, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thompson, Steve wrote: ... If you want blind ship then use /*XMIT not /*XEQ In this day and age, it's best to avoid JECL altogether when possible. As of z/OS 1.4, JES2 finally supports the XMIT JCL statement. So what

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-19 Thread Edward Jaffe
Mark Zelden wrote: So what are the practical advantages of using //XMITJC JOB... // XMIT DEST=node //REALJOB JOB .. vs. //XMITJC JOB... /*XMIT node //REALJOB JOB .. It's a continuation of the trend away from JES-specific JECL (e.g., JES2 /*OUTPUT or JES3 //*FORMAT) toward JES-neutral

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-19 Thread Ed Gould
On Dec 19, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Thompson, Steve wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 7:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Bad JOB card through NJE On Dec 18, 2007, at 5:30 PM

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-19 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Bad JOB card through NJE SNIPAGE Steve, I think I understand your issue, but to muddy the water

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-19 Thread Ed Gould
On Dec 19, 2007, at 2:54 PM, Thompson, Steve wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Bad JOB card through NJE --SNIP

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-19 Thread Skip Robinson
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Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-19 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 09:21 -0600 on 12/19/2007, Mark Zelden wrote about Re: Bad JOB card through NJE: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:46:48 -0800, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thompson, Steve wrote: ... If you want blind ship then use /*XMIT not /*XEQ In this day and age, it's best to avoid JECL

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-19 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:04:39 -0800, Skip Robinson wrote: You could argue in favor of some 'basic' set of jobcard parameters, but the problem for JES2 is the other side of the same coin that gives us the power through well defined exits to alter most anything in a job stream. Messing with jobcard

Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-18 Thread Thompson, Steve
How many of you have had to chase down some JOB that had a bad parm on it, but the submitting system was not the detecting system, even though both are JES2 systems? Is it time for IBM to sync JCL processing again? Do we still need this because one system is running MVS/SP1 and another is running

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-18 Thread Ed Gould
On Dec 18, 2007, at 4:38 PM, Thompson, Steve wrote: How many of you have had to chase down some JOB that had a bad parm on it, but the submitting system was not the detecting system, even though both are JES2 systems? Is it time for IBM to sync JCL processing again? Do we still need this

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-18 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 4:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Bad JOB card through NJE On Dec 18, 2007, at 4:38 PM, Thompson, Steve wrote: How many of you have had

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-18 Thread Edward Jaffe
Thompson, Steve wrote: ... If you want blind ship then use /*XMIT not /*XEQ In this day and age, it's best to avoid JECL altogether when possible. As of z/OS 1.4, JES2 finally supports the XMIT JCL statement. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-18 Thread Ed Gould
On Dec 18, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Thompson, Steve wrote: SNIP Has something changed? SNIP We seem to have a problem with RACF in this case. The JOB gets to the receiving node and gets a syntax error. However, my point is, the JOB card was invalid to start, it and the rest of

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-18 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ed Gould wrote: We used both *EXTENSIVELY*. We were pretty locked down with ACF2. I reviewed the rules almost every other month, except the system stuff and I reviewed that every other week personally. I was almost paranoid with all the NJE activity and we logged quite a bit and I reviewed

Re: Bad JOB card through NJE

2007-12-18 Thread Ed Gould
On Dec 18, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: Ed Gould wrote: We used both *EXTENSIVELY*. We were pretty locked down with ACF2. I reviewed the rules almost every other month, except the system stuff and I reviewed that every other week personally. I was almost paranoid with all the