Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-28 Thread Jim McAlpine
On 8/24/07, Jim McAlpine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I presume you use the VSAM component names as opposed to the cluster > name. I keep getting - > > RESTORE DS(INC(QMF311.DSQPNLE.DATA)) - > 00130099 > INDDNAME(BACKUP) - > 00170099 > OUTDYNAM(WRKP01) > 00171099 > DR101I (R/I)

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-26 Thread FRASER, Brian
>From DFSMSdss Storage Administration Guide Document Number SC35-0423-06 3.1.2 Physical Processing 2. The RENAME and RENAMEUNCONDITIONAL keywords are ignored for VSAM data sets during physical restore. DFSMSdss performs physical processing when the following conditions exist: You specify the

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-26 Thread FRASER, Brian
A rename will work if the backup was in "LOGICAL" format, but will fail if the backup is in "PHYSICAL" format. A "PHYSICAL" format backup will be created if you use the "FULL" keyword. We perform Full Volume Backups Weekly on selective DASD volumes using both FDR and DFDSS. We have also restor

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-25 Thread Bruce Black
Where's Bruce Black when we need him? Haven't heard anything from him in a while. Hi Guys and Gals. I've been out of action for a while (don't ask) so I have not been keeping up with IBM-MAIN. I hope to get back to it soon!! -- Bruce Black Senior Software Developer Innovation Data Proces

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-25 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 8/24/2007 4:17:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or maybe he defected ... ;-) >> Hmmm, I guess all things are possible. Just didn't seem like a Center 42 type guy! _http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/rolling+stones/undercover+of+the+night_20117885.

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-24 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ed Finnell wrote: Yeah, I was just lamenting the same thing. Wonder if he got stuck in San Diego? Or maybe he defected ... ;-) -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixso

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-24 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 8/24/2007 11:08:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where's Bruce Black when we need him? Haven't heard anything from him in a while. >> Yeah, I was just lamenting the same thing. Wonder if he got stuck in San Diego? *

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DFDSS versus FDR It's been a while but I am pretty sure I did the component names. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McAlpine Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject:

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
It's been a while but I am pretty sure I did the component names. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McAlpine Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DFDSS versus FDR On 8/24/07, Po

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-24 Thread Imbriale, Donald
007 12:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DFDSS versus FDR On 8/24/07, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > QMF311.DSQPNLE.DATA?? Are you sure that's not the data component? > I woud expect you to be using the cluster name with the Spher

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-24 Thread Jim McAlpine
On 8/24/07, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > QMF311.DSQPNLE.DATA?? Are you sure that's not the data component? > I woud expect you to be using the cluster name with the Sphere parameter. David, thanks that worked although I would have put money on the fact that I ha

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-24 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
QMF311.DSQPNLE.DATA?? Are you sure that's not the data component? I woud expect you to be using the cluster name with the Sphere parameter. Jim McAlpine wrote I presume you use the VSAM component names as opposed to the cluster name. I keep getting - RESTORE DS(INC(QMF311.DSQPNLE.DATA)) - 00130

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-24 Thread Jim McAlpine
On 8/24/07, Pommier, Rex R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We also do full volume backups using DFDSS and have done single VSAM > dataset restores from the backup tapes. > > Rex I presume you use the VSAM component names as opposed to the cluster name. I keep getting - RESTORE DS(INC(QMF311.DSQP

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Subject: Re: DFDSS versus FDR We perform Full Volume Backups Weekly on selective DASD volumes using both FDR and DFDSS. We have also restored (and renamed) a VSAM file (NON-Multi volume) from the backup tape using both products

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-24 Thread Mike . Visintin
We perform Full Volume Backups Weekly on selective DASD volumes using both FDR and DFDSS. We have also restored (and renamed) a VSAM file (NON-Multi volume) from the backup tape using both products. ** I believe that you c

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-23 Thread FRASER, Brian
I believe that you can restore, you just can't perform a rename while doing it. > >As I read it, and my experience, is that you cannot restore any type of >VSAM dataset from a full volume backup. > --- This e-mail is

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-23 Thread Doug Fuerst
I guess I should stop doing it then. >snip As I read it, and my experience, is that you cannot restore any type of VSAM dataset from a full volume backup. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Inform

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-23 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McAlpine > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:06 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: DFDSS versus FDR > > > On 7/20/07, McKown, Joh

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-08-23 Thread Jim McAlpine
On 7/20/07, McKown, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > DFDSS can restore single volume sequential and PDS datasets from a full > volume backup. It cannot restore multivolume sequential or VSAM from a > full volume backup. > > -- John, Do you mean by the above that DFDSS cannot restore any V

RE : DFDSS versus FDR

2007-07-23 Thread CAPRON Romain
cussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de McKown, John Envoyé : vendredi 20 juillet 2007 17:15 À : IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Objet : Re: DFDSS versus FDR > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McAlpine > S

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-07-23 Thread Jim McAlpine
Kenneth, just to give a bit more background, we are a development shop running Flex_ES and z/OS on an IBM x-Series machine for COBOL/CICS/DB2 development. We have around 250 GB of disk and our backups are currently done to a Super DLT drive that gives a maximum backup of 320GB with 2:1 compressi

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-07-20 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:15:26 -0500, McKown, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McAlpine >> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:11 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-07-20 Thread Luis Monge
. Luis Monge Advisory Software Engineer SUN Microsystems McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McAlpine Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: DFDSS versus FDR Many

Re: DFDSS versus FDR

2007-07-20 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McAlpine > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:11 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: DFDSS versus FDR > > > Many moons ago I had access to the FDR products

DFDSS versus FDR

2007-07-20 Thread Jim McAlpine
Many moons ago I had access to the FDR products for backup and recovery but now I only have DFDSS. As I remember, one of the big differentiators at the time was that with FDR you could do a dataset restore (including VSAM datasets) from a full volume physical dump but that wasn't possible with D