Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-24 Thread Dave Barry
I mean CF links. Thanks to all who replied. db -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Rowe Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 11:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's Obviously #2 is going

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-24 Thread Skip Robinson
Subject .EDU> Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-24 Thread Eric Mendelson
Can we use the same CTC definitions in VTAM for FCTC's i.e can be just activate the FCTC definitions exact;y like CTC **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) --

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-24 Thread Scott Rowe
nooy, C.P. - SPLXM Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's "Mark Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Is there any advantage in migrating CTC's from ESCON to FI

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/21/2007 at 10:39 AM, Matthew Stitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >BSC NJE is needed if you are communicating with a system which does not >support (or is not configured) SNA NJE. No; you can use a CTCA or TCP/IP link. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-22 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:28:18 -0500, Dave Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Job A on system A issues static SQL query to DB2 on system B. Which is >faster: > >1) DDF call to DB2 on system B via APPC over FICON CTC > >or > >2) Local call to DB2 member of datasharing group w/ FICON CF links? > >Cons

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-21 Thread Dave Barry
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's "Mark Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Is there any advantage in migrating CTC's from ESCON to FICON? > > -- >

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-21 Thread Matthew Stitt
BSC NJE is needed if you are communicating with a system which does not support (or is not configured) SNA NJE. I currently have one with a VM RSCS system. < :-( > On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:53:49 +0100, R.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Skip Robinson wrote: >> Just to clarify: if GRS is part of a b

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-20 Thread Neubert, Kevin (DIS)
CON vs ESCON CTC's Is there any advantage in migrating CTC's from ESCON to FICON? -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL -- The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every appearance, th

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-20 Thread R.S.
Mark Zelden wrote: [...] I was at a Parallel Sysplex and Performance training earlier this month and the teacher told us, that CTCs ourperform CF signalling paths, because of the multiple step (write, notify, read) approach for the CF path versus the single step (what is written is synchronously

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-20 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
"Mark Zelden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:54:51 +0100, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >> Yes - of course with a shared CF engine. But with current hardware > >(link > >> technology, z9 engines) the link

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-20 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:54:51 +0100, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Yes - of course with a shared CF engine. But with current hardware >(link >> technology, z9 engines) the links are once again faster. YMMV. >> >> Mark > >I was at a Parallel Sysplex and Performance train

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-20 Thread R.S.
Skip Robinson wrote: Just to clarify: if GRS is part of a basic sysplex, it uses the same PATHIN/PATHOUT CTCs that XCF uses. SCTC or FCTC is required. With GRS ring directly over CTC (not XCF) you can have GRSplex > sysplex. In other words you can have out-of-sysplex systems in GRSplex. Or mu

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-19 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
"Mark Zelden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:30:09 +0100, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >"Mark Zelden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > >news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > >> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:17:20 -0500, Ma

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-19 Thread Skip Robinson
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Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-19 Thread Matthew Stitt
On the plus side, the unit address limitation with ESCON is greatly increased. On the negative side, you cannot have a BCTC device, which is required for GRS and JES2 BSC NJE connections. On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:19:36 -0600, Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:17:20 -05

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-19 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:17:21 -0600, Patrick O'Keefe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:19:36 -0600, Mark Zelden ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>... >>better response times with MIM, VTAM and XCF CTCs ... >>... > > >However, be aware that there has been a recovery issue in VTAM's >s

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-19 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:19:36 -0600, Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >better response times with MIM, VTAM and XCF CTCs ... >... However, be aware that there has been a recovery issue in VTAM's support of FICON CTCs - APAR OA22059. INOP rather than PENDING after 1st activation. (Fi

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-19 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:30:09 +0100, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >"Mark Zelden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... >> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:17:20 -0500, Mark Jacobs ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> >Is there any advantage in migrating CTC's f

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-19 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
"Mark Zelden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:17:20 -0500, Mark Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >Is there any advantage in migrating CTC's from ESCON to FICON? > > > > Of course. But I guess it could depend on the application. We

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-19 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:17:20 -0500, Mark Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Is there any advantage in migrating CTC's from ESCON to FICON? > Of course. But I guess it could depend on the application. We saw much better response times with MIM, VTAM and XCF CTCs when we migrated to FICON. Of c

Re: FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-19 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
"Mark Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Is there any advantage in migrating CTC's from ESCON to FICON? > > -- > Mark Jacobs > Time Customer Service > Tampa, FL > -- SPEED!!! XCF signalling via Ficon CTC links well outperform CF structures. Others wil

FICON vs ESCON CTC's

2007-12-19 Thread Mark Jacobs
Is there any advantage in migrating CTC's from ESCON to FICON? -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL -- The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every appearance, the variable PI can be given that