ternal invoking Clists on
>TSO were still "SCRIPT". We started off running freebie Waterloo
>Script in late 1980's, but at some point went with DCF, and then
>started using SGML macros which came with DCF.
The GML Starter Set came with DCF. The SGML translator was a separat
In
<66388274-1278229443-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-15848985...@bda026.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>,
on 07/04/2010
at 07:44 AM, Ted MacNEIL said:
>No, GML is a superset of script, by definition.
>A superset includes all the functions/elements of the original set,
>PL
ynn/2010k.html#42 GML
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#47 GML
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#48 GML
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#49 GML
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#52 GML
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#55 GML
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/201
Hey, Linda. This is Waterloo Script/GML I'm talking about not IBM's
Script/DCF so it won't be in ShopZ. The reason for saying it's still
available is that we upgraded versions a coupla years ago.
[pause]
whuups... guess the timeline's shifted on me & I should
Steve Samson writes:
> If in SCRIPT, some GML function is based on and built with dot command
> primitives and implemented as SCRIPT macros, that does not make GML a
> superset of the dot commands.
... and (cp67/cms) SCRIPT was written in 360 assembler ... which doesn't
make the
>GML was the inspiration for one of my favourite acronyms: WASHITO (as
opposed to WYSIWYG).
We were fortunate enough to have the GDDM-based AFP-Browser that worked under
TSO with a graphics screen, so we could preview the document without printing.
Saved a lot of time.
-
I'm a SuperH
On 06/07/2010 20:37, Neil Duffee wrote:
> ps. I, too, liked GML; enough to write the Payroll Operations manual
> for the production control group using it. It's great to be able to
> add footnotes, endnotes, index/glossary entries, forward& backward
> references
z/OS v1.9, Waterloo Script v9.8.1 (includes GML) here.
Our Student Information System has been using Waterloo Script/GML since before
I started in the late '80s.
All letters to students - primarily offers of admissions, transcripts, et al -
are generated from coded paragraphs ie. st
On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 16:19:04 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
>
>As implemented, IBM SCRIPT/DCF allows both script basic commands and GML tags.
>That makes GML a superset, by definition.
>
I would say that since IBM SCRIPT/DCF allows both script basic
commands and GML tags, it's IBM SCRIP
On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 11:56:51 -0400, zMan wrote:
>Ted, you're still confusing the IBM/Waterloo implementation with GML itself.
>See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Generalized_Markup_Language#Syntax--
>no dot commands. Whatever, you're being deliberately obtuse, I'm
>Whatever, you're being deliberately obtuse, I'm done.
Again, you're wrong.
I'm not being deliberately obtuse.
First, I never talked about GML as part of Waterloo Script.
Second, I don't really care about definitions and theory.
I care about practice and implemen
Ted, you're still confusing the IBM/Waterloo implementation with GML itself.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Generalized_Markup_Language#Syntax--
no dot commands. Whatever, you're being deliberately obtuse, I'm done.
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
>Ted: The GML definition does not include the dot-commands of Script.
A. You're wrong.
>You're confusing how it was implemented with the definition.
B. You're wrong.
They're both usable in the same document.
There is nothing in the definition that excludes the base
ith DCF. At least at our installation a distinction
> was always made between DCF/Script and SGML. At some point DCF software
> prices got so far out of line with our need for the product that we were
> forced to drop it.
>
> My impression was that the same IBM folks involved wit
software
> prices got so far out of line with our need for the product that we were
> forced to drop it.
>
> My impression was that the same IBM folks involved with SGML were
> involved with GML, which either evolved into or influenced HTML.
>
IBM didn't "take over Scr
rced to drop it.
My impression was that the same IBM folks involved with SGML were
involved with GML, which either evolved into or influenced HTML.
Joel C Ewing
On 07/03/2010 04:38 PM, Ed Finnell wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/3/2010 3:27:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> li
>Sorry, not trying to pick nits, but you said it was a SUPERSET of Script.
>It's not.
>That's like saying z/OS is a superset of assembler because (most of) it's
>written in assembler.
No, GML is a superset of script, by definition.
A superset includes all the functio
Sorry, not trying to pick nits, but you said it was a SUPERSET of Script.
It's not. That's like saying z/OS is a superset of assembler because (most
of) it's written in assembler.
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
> >Mmmm, no, GML was first implemente
>Mmmm, no, GML was first implemented using Script macros.
Re-read my post.
That's what I said.
>It has nothing to do with Script per se.
That sentence make no sense.
How can a thing written in the macros of another have nothing to do with it?
That's like saying that assemb
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes:
> more history here (also mentions last names):
> http://www.sgmlsource.com/history/roots.htm
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#42 GML
from roots.htm ...
Later in 1971, when product development was imminent, I gave GML its
prese
Mmmm, no, GML was first implemented using Script macros. It has nothing to
do with Script per se.
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
> >Genenalized Markup Languge, often called Script
>
> GML is a superset of Script.
> Script came first, then GML tags were develop
And to think, I stayed with GML as long as I could because, once one passed the
learning curve, GML was really fast to write - at least for me it was. When
we lost our VM machine, some of us used B2H to convert our files to html. B2H
did a pret ty decent job, but I never could get it to
efinnel...@aol.com (Ed Finnell) writes:
> We were ESP for early GML and the little tin foil printers 42xx
> somethings. IIRC SCRIPT and Waterloo were similar but diverged at the
> MACRO level starting with GML. Dr Goldfarb used to be one of the
> 'highlight' sessions at SHAR
t for several years during the '80s
and early '90s to write complex bids and documentation .
>>
We were ESP for early GML and the little tin foil printers 42xx
somethings. IIRC SCRIPT and Waterloo were similar but diverged at the MACRO
level
starting with GML. Dr Goldf
>Genenalized Markup Languge, often called Script
GML is a superset of Script.
Script came first, then GML tags were developed as Macros in the scripting
language.
I believe it started as Waterloo script, then was acquired by IBM (on this I
could be wrong).
I wrote my University papers us
;80s and early '90s to write complex bids and documentation
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#41 Unix systems and Serialization
mechanism
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#42 GML
at periods in the past there were whole organizations that were accused
of having nobody but script p
d documentation .
Linda Mooney
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From: "Ed Finnell"
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In a message dated 7/2/2010 4:42:19 P
In a message dated 7/2/2010 4:42:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
bi...@mainstar.com writes:
letters GML that ever occurs to me is
>>
Grease My Liver? Freddy and the Fish sticks gave a good performance last
Thursday at LULU's in Gulf Shores(Hint:Owner/sister is Lu
bi...@mainstar.com (Bill Fairchild) writes:
> For Friday use only. :-)
>
> The only meaning of the letters GML that ever occurs to me is the
> initials of Canada's premier balladeer Gordon Meredith Lightfoot.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#41
look at the SG
>The only meaning of the letters GML that ever occurs to me is the initials of
>Canada's premier balladeer Gordon Meredith Lightfoot.
Like a PaperBook Novel.
The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
Need I say more?
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I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor mo
For Friday use only. :-)
The only meaning of the letters GML that ever occurs to me is the initials of
Canada's premier balladeer Gordon Meredith Lightfoot.
Bill Fairchild
Rocket Software
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39yrs GML fan experience (since Mar71), been to 8 live concerts so far.
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