Re: Homoeoteleutera / Google Architecture / sequence numbers (or whatever)

2006-07-31 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 7/30/2006 10:04:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >homoeoteleutera - Google Search >homoeoteleutera__ SearchAdvanced Search >Did you mean: homoioteleuton I did the same, clicked on Google's suggested alternate spelling,

Re: Homoeoteleutera / Google Architecture / sequence numbers (or whatever)

2006-07-30 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/30/2006 10:04:58 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you mean: homoioteleuton >> More likely homoimaginus. Has anybody written a SHARE requirement for SEQ/NOSEQ in IEASYS? It would probably be on the order of Y2K compliance. --

Homoeoteleutera / Google Architecture / sequence numbers (or whatever)

2006-07-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, john gilmore said: > Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:12:44 + > > My favorite---storm warning of a big word to come---is their notional > usefulness in avoiding homoeoteleutera; but others may well have their own, > different favorites. > Congratulations!

Re: Google Architecture

2006-07-30 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: Google runs on hundreds of thousands of servers—by one estimate, in excess of 450,000—racked up in thousands of clusters in dozens of data centers around the world. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#12 Google Architecture ... in somewhat similar vein

Re: Google Architecture

2006-07-11 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/10/2006 11:39:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: excess of 450,000—racked up in thousands of clusters in dozens of data centers around the world. >> GIGO...google in, google out! Guess the amazing thing is they keep all the 'in'

Re: Google Architecture

2006-07-10 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
the world. ... snip ... also .. How Google Works http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1985576,00.asp past refs: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#4 Google Architecture http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#6 Google Architecture http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#7 Google Architecture

Google Architecture

2006-06-30 Thread Phil Payne
I tend to retain my effusive moments for things that work. http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/34984.htm The latest of many "Google Datacenter" threads. I don't care about Google's stock-supporting p/r spin and the amount of mutual back-slapping they go in for - their system just doesn't wor

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-30 Thread Bill Richter
"with the advent of Google Checkout, a heavy-duty TP application, the company must have one." "What architecture is Google using to provide high-performance, large-scale transaction processing?" http://storagemojo.com/?p=177 -

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-30 Thread Bill Richter
100,000 foot view of GFS "GFS is not the future. But it shows us what the future can be." http://storagemojo.com/?page_id=152 http://storagemojo.com/?page_id=153 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instruct

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-13 Thread Doc Farmer
And now they're planning a super-duper-supercomputer site as well... http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/13/business/search.php - Original Message From: Charles Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:31:02 PM Subject:

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-13 Thread Charles Mills
"The best guess is that Google now has more than 450,000 servers spread over at least 25 locations around the world." - http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/technology/14search.html?hp&ex=1150344000&; en=25cfc1be85c1d603&ei=5094 watch the wrap Charles --

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-09 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
oh and late breaking topic drift: Bank admits flaws in chip and PIN security http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=385811&in_page_id=1770 Millions at risk from chip and Pin http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/saving-and-banking/article.html?in_article_id=409616&in_p

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-07 Thread jim harrison
I doubt it. All the major players in the webmail market have expanded their storage to match Gmail's. And Yahoo just blew the doors off nearly everyone with their new beta web client. It looks like Outlook webmail, but it's better and faster. The best web app I've ever used, and I"ve hated p

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-07 Thread Timothy Sipples
Google is entering many more information service businesses than just their popular Internet search engine. Many of those other businesses do require consistency in results. Also, as Internet search matures, I think people will expect more consistency and currency. - - - - - Timothy F. Sipples

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-07 Thread Jon Brock
I will be interested in seeing whether Google can reproduce their search-engine success with gmail. When your selling point is that people can retain and search gigabytes of email, you can't get away with some of the things you can as a simple search-engine. As a new gmail user, I am so far

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-07 Thread Aaron Walker
Perhaps a lot of the enmity (especially in this community) toward Google is their success and public perception (and possible IT perception) that they provide the ideal IT environment - they "prove" that the cheap, distributed server setup is viable, even though all they really provide is rather

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-07 Thread Phil Smith III
Phil Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Simple test - do a search on Google. Any search. Let it default to 10 hits >per page, and >collect all the pages. >Then repeat the search, asking for 100 hits per page. >Compare the results. They will be different. What they don't tell you is >that ea

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-06 Thread Skip Robinson
PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Google Architecture Of course, if you're indexing the entire internet those low-cost thingies can still add up to big numbers, but it would be a mistake (IMO) to assume we could to it any cheaper/m

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-06 Thread Charles Mills
(which in turn was the new IBM-bashing). Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Payne Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 2:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Google Architecture Just a shame it doesn't actually work.

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-06 Thread Gilbert Saint-Flour
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 08:56, Phil Payne wrote: > ... The most intensive spiderer (?) at present is Yahoo, ... Perhaps, but quantity isn't synonym with quality. From what I see in my Web server's logs, Yahoo! "stutters" a lot, i.e. it reads the same page two, three or four times a day. And i

Google Architecture

2006-06-06 Thread Phil Payne
Google's solution is simply not scaling. Period. Check out the complaints of massive page loss both on 28th March and 26th April. A lot of people have been suggesting that Google might move to "mainframes" - although they don't seem to mean zSeries. Perhaps a POWER or BladeServer solution. P

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-06 Thread R.S.
The only thing I can complement is there is not better engine than Google, is there ? So, I'm going to keep using google, until find something better. Can be mainframe based if you want. Or audi (car) based, I don't care. BTW: outdated pages are quite useful somtimes. I found the information w

Google Architecture

2006-06-06 Thread Phil Payne
Just a shame it doesn't actually work. Ask any webmaster. Or check out the discussion groups on WebMasterWorld. Start at http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/ and read. Disaster after disaster - no search integrity at all. http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/34588.htm too - "Big Daddy" is

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-05 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Craddock, Chris wrote: Pat Helland (formerly with Tandem and MS, now with Amazon) has written some very lucid and entertaining discussions about how economics are changing their system design points. He was one of the originators of the Tandem Non-Stop transaction system and a life-long transacti

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-04 Thread Craddock, Chris
Lynn Wheeler wrote: > so the issue is effectively how fast fault isolation/recovery/tolerant > technology becomes commodized. this is somewhat the scenario that > happened with RAID ... when they first appeared, they were frequently > depreciated compared to "mainframe" DASD ... but since then, th

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-02 Thread Timothy Sipples
Google's CEO has made some interesting comments recently about their current IT architecture, its viability, and its costs: http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/21/business/GOOGLE.php Here's the section of particular relevance: Google continued to make substantial capital investments, mainly in c

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
rket segments ... including financial. some of the early financial adopters are using GRID for doing complex financial analysis in real-time. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#4 Google Architecture http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#6 Google Architecture http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.ht

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
l#4 Google Architecture http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#6 Google Architecture we took some amount of heat in the 80s from the communication group working on high-speed data transport http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#hsdt and 3-tier architecture (as extension of 2-tier, client/se

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-02 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craddock, Chris) writes: GOOGLE is certainly a loosely coupled architecture, but as you of all people would know, there are significant differences between that and a parallel sysplex. The main feature they (and Amazon as well btw) focus on is the full burdened price of their c

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-01 Thread Craddock, Chris
Lynn Wheeler wrote: > > > http://labs.google.com/papers/googlecluster-ieee.pdf > > and the difference between that and loosely-coupled or parallel sysplex? GOOGLE is certainly a loosely coupled architecture, but as you of all people would know, there are significant differences between that and

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-01 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Bill Richter wrote: It appears that Google architecture is the antithesis of conventional mainframe application achitecture in all aspects. http://labs.google.com/papers/googlecluster-ieee.pdf and the difference between that and loosely-coupled or parallel sysplex? long ago and far away, my

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-01 Thread Kirk Talman
are commercial sites, most of which are porn sites. IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 06/01/2006 11:36:43 AM: > > It appears that Google architecture is the antithesis of conventional > > mainframe application achitecture in all aspects. > > http://labs.google.com/papers/goog

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-01 Thread Craddock, Chris
> It appears that Google architecture is the antithesis of conventional > mainframe application achitecture in all aspects. > > http://labs.google.com/papers/googlecluster-ieee.pdf > Yup. That's what I've been telling you guys for the last couple of years. There are o

Re: Google Architecture

2006-06-01 Thread Steve Flynn
On 01/06/06, Bill Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It appears that Google architecture is the antithesis of conventional mainframe application achitecture in all aspects. http://labs.google.com/papers/googlecluster-ieee.pdf You may find this an interesting readd too..

Google Architecture

2006-06-01 Thread Bill Richter
It appears that Google architecture is the antithesis of conventional mainframe application achitecture in all aspects. http://labs.google.com/papers/googlecluster-ieee.pdf -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access