On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:49:44 -0500 "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)"
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:>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/04/2007
:> at 04:47 PM, Binyamin Dissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
:>>It gives you a lot.
:>I've certainly used it extensively, but trace ?i is no replacement for
:>a real deb
[Shmuel Metz] [...] you wouldn't have the symbol table access that
TSO TEST provides.
A pitiful subset of the symbols actually used in programming these days.
With IBM macros more and more frequently defining symbols 9
characters long and longer, TSO TEST's symbol "support" is becoming
more a
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/04/2007
at 04:47 PM, Binyamin Dissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>It gives you a lot.
I've certainly used it extensively, but trace ?i is no replacement for
a real debugger.
>As the line commands have the functionality,
Are you saying that CP line commands process
Hi Lindy,
I have used the IBM Object REXX for Windows product. IBM provided a
'interactive workbench'
tool with the IBM Object REXX for Windows product. However, I noticed that
when IBM gave the
Object REXX product to the open source community, the announcement
specifically indcated
the 'workben
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that it is not supported if the Rexx environment is "integrated into TSO/E",
which applies to pretty much all Rexx environments that anyone is usi
Charles Mills wrote:
> You can write code that Rexx will call for all I/O including Say. See
> Chapter 14 of the TSO Rexx reference. I have done this sort of thing; it
is
> not for the faint-hearted.
I've done it too, and indeed it's not for the faint-hearted. The
documentation leaves much to th
Binyamin Dissen wrote:
By CP, I was referring to VM CP. Not TSO CP.
VM CP is a hypervisor which runs MVS as a client.
from long ago and far away, I had done IPCS superset written in rexx (when it
was still called rex and hadn't been release as a product) ... which was
initially line-mode CMS
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Those are good points and something that I thought about. It wouldn't be
useful if it didn't work in all environments like ISPF, IPCS, OMVS, etc.
Which means, I think, that one would have to somehow start the exe
Ah yes. We recently lost use of it and are in mourning.
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 01/04/2007
09:40:14 AM:
> . When I was a Cobol programmer, long ago, Xpediter
> was the bee's knees, and I couldn't even begin to estimate the cost
> savings. They would have been huge.
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s dumb. Sorry. But how do they do that?
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I have not been successful is figuring out how to do that level of indirect
addressing under CP.
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However, if you want something more than a toy then you'd need to do
three things that would make it more difficult:
1. Monitor variables against specific values.
2. Run at near full speed in between breakpoints, watchpoin
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 07:24:44 -0500 "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz"
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:>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/30/2006
:> at 08:07 PM, Binyamin Dissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
:>>Given that REXX supports interactive debugging,
:>FSVO interactive debugging; the term normally encompass
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In
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 01/02/2007
at 12:51 PM, "Richards.Bob" <[EMAIL
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/30/2006
at 08:07 PM, Binyamin Dissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Given that REXX supports interactive debugging,
FSVO interactive debugging; the term normally encompasses more than
just
trace ?i
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/31/2006
at 10:22 AM, Binyamin Dis
In
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 01/02/2007
at 12:51 PM, "Richards.Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>A little testy, are we? Relax, the year is too early yet for
>Compuware to take exception to anything! Sheesh. :-)
No vendor likes to be taken for a different vendor. I thought that
Mark's complaint wa
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on
01/01/2007
at 02:17 PM, "Craddock, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I cannot think of ANYTHING where I would consider
>TEST to be superior.
I've run into cases where I had to drop back to TEST. I don't know
whether the issues have been resolved by now.
>Aside from
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 12/30/2006
at 04:40 PM, Lindy Mayfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Does anyone know how one might write a full-screen Rexx debugger,
>like z/XDC or Xpediter?
You'd have to take over the input and the output routines. Look at
PMREXX in OS/2.
However, if you want somet
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Charles,
I have spent over 22 years with Compuware Corporation
: Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?
Bob,
Intertest was from Online Software prior to CA's acquisition. That
acquisition was in the same general timeframe (late 80's) as ADR.
Ralph
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Bob,
Intertest was from Online Software prior to CA's acquisition. That
acquisition was in the same general timeframe (late 80's) as ADR.
Ralph
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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Weiss, Mark
>
> Charles,
>
> I have spent over
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Weiss, Mark
>
> Charles,
>
> I have spent over 22 years with Compuware Corporation ...
> many of those years working on Xpediter/CICS. I have never
> worked for "CA".
>
> Compuware Corporation is NOT abbreviated
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Subject: Re: How to write a full-screen Rexx debugger?
I have not used XDC or CA-Xpediter, but I would imagine you could write a
debugger in "mostly" Rexx with some assembler. Take a look at the TSO/E
Programm
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CAUTION: tacky comment
>I have not used XDC or CA-Xpediter,
CA???-Xpediter
I don't think Compuware has been taken over...
Jantje.
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[Binyamin Dissen] All I can say is that I had unexpected results
using XDC when my code wanted
to retry.
The problems did not occur when XDC was removed from the picture.
I guess I could have spent time trying to debug the issue, but I found it
easier to proceed without it.
Without knowing an
On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:17:07 -0500 "Craddock, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
:>I don't work for Dave Cole and he doesn't owe me anything, but I have to
:>defend his honor here...
I am by no means challenging his honor.
I am not attempting to attack his product.
:>> The problem I have with XDC
I don't work for Dave Cole and he doesn't owe me anything, but I have to
defend his honor here...
> The problem I have with XDC is that its method of trapping (an 0C1):
> 1. Requires environment changes to support its ESTAE and the normal
ESTAE
> logic doesn't seem to work well
It depends on you
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 08:57:01 -0500 David Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>>[Binyamin Dissen] The problem I have with XDC is that its method of
:>>trapping (an 0C1):
:>>1. Requires environment changes to support its ESTAE and the normal
:>>ESTAE logic doesn't seem to work well - TEST works bett
assembler
since the environment blocks etc. might best be accessed in assembler
though you might manipulate them in REXX.
Paul Hanrahan
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[Binyamin Dissen] The problem I have with XDC is that its method of
trapping (an 0C1):
1. Requires environment changes to support its ESTAE and the normal
ESTAE logic doesn't seem to work well - TEST works better in that regard
2. Does not support locked environments (neither does TEST)
3. P
Anyway, I feel a bit better because no one has said yet, "Hey, dummy, you just
use this so-and-so interface!" (-:
Lindy
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ump formatters as they do not have any of the
drawbacks above.
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that, but a
boy can wonder how it might be done. (-:
Happy New Year!
Lindy
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Lindy
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Debugging an interpreted language li
[shane] BTW, in all fairness to Binyamin, I think you should the get
attribution
correct.
You're right. I misread it. Sorry Ben.
[Shane] And here I was thinking Dave may be going to drop some pearl
of wisdom -
say the critical half dozen or so lines of code that constitute a
bedugger ..
And here I was thinking Dave may be going to drop some pearl of wisdom -
say the critical half dozen or so lines of code that constitute a
bedugger ... ;o)
BTW, in all fairness to Binyamin, I think you should the get attribution
correct.
Shane ...
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[Binyamin Dissen] Why have z/XDC or Xpeditor or AbendAid when you have dumps?
Man! Don't get me started, Ben!
[:)]
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What if you:
- Built a full-screen applic
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:40:12 +0100, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how one might write a full-screen Rexx debugger, like z/XDC
> or Xpediter? I've
> spent a couple of evenings digging through the Rexx Reference, but so far
> I've not stumbled on a
> way to do it. Or even if it can
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:22:33 +0100 Lindy Mayfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
:>I'm surprised at this question, but it is not unexpected. (-:
:>I respect you a lot so I'll humor you with my thought process on this.
:>Why not?
:>Why have Xpeditor when you have READY TRACE in COBOL?
Boy, am I t
Mayfield
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I've gone through all of those docs quite a bit, but the one point I don't
find is how to "interrupt" the flow of the exec and how to either know wh
ning and be able to do something
with it.
Lindy
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Ah!
Wou
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Oh! (-:
I meant, instead of using TRACE ?I in a Rexx program (like COBOL READY
TRACE) you could in an ISPF-like full
could be done, and if so how.
Lindy
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Ah! Binyamin and I
(-;
Lindy
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I have not used XDC or CA-Xpediter, but I wou
wering the former.
Charles
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Given that REXX supports i
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:>Does anyone k
G has a debugger that competes with
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Good luck!
Charles
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:40:12 +0100 Lindy Mayfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
:>Does anyone know how one might write a full-screen Rexx debugger, like z/XDC
or Xpediter? I've spent a couple of evenings digging through the Rexx
Reference, but so far I've not stumbled on a way to do it. Or even i
Does anyone know how one might write a full-screen Rexx debugger, like z/XDC or
Xpediter? I've spent a couple of evenings digging through the Rexx Reference,
but so far I've not stumbled on a way to do it. Or even if it can be done.
Any hints or ideas? I also asked on the Rexx list, but it is
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