Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-03-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
Tommy Tsui wrote: ..I think z9 is announced around 3 years...As I remember, IBM never try to announced a new model of mainframe computer just three years later... Using http://www.tech-news.com/ as a reference, the history of IBM CMOS mainframe processor hardware generations is as follows:

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-03-01 Thread Marian Gasparovic
z9-109 4Q 03 is wrong, z9-109 was announced in 2Q 05 and later renamed to z9 EC in 2Q 06 with z9 BC announcement On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy Tsui wrote: ..I think z9 is announced around 3 years...As I remember, IBM never try to

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-03-01 Thread Edward Jaffe
Gibney, Dave wrote: The Multiprise 2003's were also CMOS. We replaced a 3090-400J with one sometime after 96. Yup. As well as MP3000s, P/390s, etc. I didn't mention them because I don't consider them direct ancestors of the current machines. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-03-01 Thread Gibney, Dave
announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9 Tommy Tsui wrote: ..I think z9 is announced around 3 years...As I remember, IBM never try to announced a new model of mainframe computer just three years later... Using http://www.tech-news.com/ as a reference, the history of IBM CMOS

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-27 Thread Marian Gasparovic
Is there another 10% drop in MSUs/MIPS for the z10? Yes -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-27 Thread Shane
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 14:51 +0900, Timothy Sipples wrote: You can upgrade a System z9 EC to a System z10 EC and keep your machine's serial number. You can order those upgrades now, and they are apparently shipping now. But you (apparently) *can't* directly upgrade a BC. I wonder why they

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-27 Thread Gibney, Dave
Will you give me favorable odds :) Fall SHARE 2009 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z

IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Tommy Tsui
Hi all, Anyone know why IBM announced z10 so fast...is there any problem on z9 because our shop migrated toz9 this week any big differences between z9 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Timur Alpaslan
16:28:36 +0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Hi all, Anyone know why IBM announced z10 so fast...is there any problem on z9 because our shop migrated toz9 this week any big differences between z9

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Tommy Tsui
while supporting business continuity and security through innovative enhancements. Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:28:36 +0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Hi all, Anyone know why IBM announced z10 so fast

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Timur Alpaslan
No, not yet. Will be announced soon I believe. Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:33:49 +0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU any upgrade path for z9 currently? On 2/26/08, Timur Alpaslan [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Marian Gasparovic
] Subject: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Hi all, Anyone know why IBM announced z10 so fast...is there any problem on z9 because our shop migrated toz9 this week any big differences between z9

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Wayne Driscoll
@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9 Hi all, Anyone know why IBM announced z10 so fast...is there any problem on z9 because our shop migrated toz9 this week any big differences between z9

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Tommy Tsui
. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tommy Tsui Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9 Hi all, Anyone know why IBM announced z10 so fast

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread R.S.
Tommy Tsui wrote: Actually, I worry becuase there are no competitors in the market, why IBM announced the new CPU model so fast, it doesn't like a desktop computer ..I think z9 is announced around 3 years...As I remember, IBM never try to announced a new model of mainframe computer just three

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Shane
Is it too frequent for you ? Then stay with old machine. Any bets on how long before another ALS ??? Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Anthony Saul Babonas
Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9 Tommy Tsui wrote: Actually, I worry becuase there are no competitors in the market, why IBM announced the new

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Shane
from the announcement: quote Planned availability dates • Features and functions for the System z10 EC: February 26, 2008 • System z10 EC Models E12, E26, E40, E56, and E64: February 26, 2008 • z990 upgrades to System z10 EC: February 26, 2008 • z9 EC upgrades to System z10 EC: February 26, 2008

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Tommy Tsui
z10 quad-core 4.4Ghz..how fast compared with z9 ...? A new 16GB reserved for HSA ..is it necessary??? to avoid outages..is it means more available for dynamic activate IOCDS... On 2/26/08, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from the announcement: quote Planned availability dates • Features and

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Marian Gasparovic
16 GB HSA - all 60 LPARs, all 4 CSSs, all devices are there, just use them. I think it is great. Marian Gasparovic IBM Slovakia On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Tommy Tsui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: z10 quad-core 4.4Ghz..how fast compared with z9 ...? A new 16GB reserved for HSA ..is it

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 02/26/2008 at 04:28 PM, Tommy Tsui [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Anyone know why IBM announced z10 so fast Before asking why, ask whether. Why do you believe that they should have waited? I don't see the pace of announcements as being unusually rapid. is there any problem

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Martin Packer
Marian wrote 16 GB HSA - all 60 LPARs, all 4 CSSs, all devices are there, just use them. I think it is great. I agree... When the PR/SM architect told me about it a few months ago he said it was to simplify sizing by ensuring ALL configs were already contained within the 16GB. And he

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tommy Tsui) writes: Actually, I worry becuase there are no competitors in the market, why IBM announced the new CPU model so fast, it doesn't

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
A new 16GB reserved for HSA ..is it necessary??? to avoid outages..is it means more available for dynamic activate IOCDS... Also, it means you no longer tie up part of your investment in memory with that needed for HSA. So, if you buy 64GB (for example), you have 64GB available for your LPARs.

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Graeme Gibson
At 12:07 AM 2/27/2008, you wrote: Actually, I worry becuase there are no competitors in the market, why IBM Whoa! No Competitors! Only if you define the market in a very narrow way. Surely the market has plenty of alternate suppliers, all eager to move our applications off the remaining

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Jim Elliott, IBM
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:28:36 +0800, Tommy Tsui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Anyone know why IBM announced z10 so fast...is there any problem on z9 because our shop migrated toz9 this week any big differences between z9 Tommy: The z9-109 (now known as the z9 EC) was announced on July

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Timothy Sipples
I agree, the fixed, reserved HSA is great. Much simpler, much easier to plan -- even if you can't plan. Tommy, your System z9 will keep operating just fine. There are many reasons why z9 (and previous) model mainframe owners upgrade, though, and it really doesn't matter how recently they upgraded

Re: IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9

2008-02-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
You can upgrade a System z9 EC to a System z10 EC and keep your machine's serial number. You can order those upgrades now, and they are apparently shipping now. Is there another 10% drop in MSUs/MIPS for the z10? - Too busy driving to stop for gas!