Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-29 Thread Walt Farrell
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:49:15 -0500, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:02:27 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: > >>This has been discussed many times. >>IBM's design choice is based on a simple premise: >>When do you convert the system symbols? >>On the submitting system? >>

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-29 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>NJE is NJE. You're thinking of RJE vs RJP. IIRC, it was called NJP 23 years ago, when I worked in a JES3 shop. Of course, I only have my memory to go by. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-29 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ted MacNEIL wrote: And why does NJE make a difference? Where do you convert? At the sending or the receiving site? (NJP is not in my vocabulary). Network Job Processing (JES3) NJE is NJE. You're thinking of RJE vs RJP. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-29 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Rhetorical questions: Why not, then, allow the programmer, through a control >statement or symbol qualifier, to choose among those three alternatives? As I already said (and you snipped). Stop b*tching on IBM-Main and open a requirement with IBM (with a justification). - Too busy driving to s

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-29 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>And why does NJE make a difference? Where do you convert? At the sending or the receiving site? >(NJP is not in my vocabulary). Network Job Processing (JES3) - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / sign

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-29 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:49:15 -0500, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >Many programmers feel that even if IBM were to choose one of the >alternatives above, they would benefit; it would be right for them. >Those to whom the facility would be no benefit would be not be harmed >by it if i

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:02:27 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: >>(Not that I agree with IBM's design choice here.) > >This has been discussed many times. >IBM's design choice is based on a simple premise: >When do you convert the system symbols? >On the submitting system? >On the converting system? >On th

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-29 Thread Mark H. Young
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:02:27 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>(Not that I agree with IBM's design choice here.) > >This has been discussed many times. >IBM's design choice is based on a simple premise: >When do you convert the system symbols? >On the submitting system? >On the conv

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-29 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>(Not that I agree with IBM's design choice here.) This has been discussed many times. IBM's design choice is based on a simple premise: When do you convert the system symbols? On the submitting system? On the converting system? On the executing system? What about NJE/NJP? Any choice can/will be

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:35:07 -0500, Mark H. Young wrote: > >Two different levels of z/OS on each of two LPARs in a MAS. Each image has >*different* system symbols, like the z/OS level, right? And as part of the DSN >construct, a variable in the JCL (proc) would translate differently for that >DS

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-29 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:35:07 -0500, Mark H. Young wrote: > >Two different levels of z/OS on each of two LPARs in a MAS. Each image has >*different* system symbols, like the z/OS level, right? And as part of the DSN >construct, a variable in the JCL (proc) would translate differently for that >D

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-29 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark H. Young Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF= But the suggestion to use /*XMIT would work, so that JES2

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-29 Thread Mark H. Young
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:23:43 -0700, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Mark H. Young wrote: >> OK, then how do I submit a batch job on system with z/OS 1.4 and >> have it execute on system with z/OS 1.7 in that MAS, and have the >> job resolve the dataset names correctly on the

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-28 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark H. Young Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF= In a JES2 MAS (Multi Access SPOOL) environ with two different

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-28 Thread Edward Jaffe
Mark H. Young wrote: OK, then how do I submit a batch job on system with z/OS 1.4 and have it execute on system with z/OS 1.7 in that MAS, and have the job resolve the dataset names correctly on the EXECUTING system? In JES2, if you code SYSAFF= on the /*JOBPARM statement, convers

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-28 Thread Mark H. Young
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:01:37 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>want it to go thru conversion on system (for correct system symbol resolution), AND for >execution on system , you would code a: >/*JOBPARM SYSAFF= correct? > >No. Symbol resolution is not supported for bat

Re: JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-28 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>want it to go thru conversion on system (for correct system symbol >resolution), AND for execution on system , you would code a: /*JOBPARM SYSAFF= correct? No. Symbol resolution is not supported for batch JCL. This has been discussed many times on the list. - Too busy driving to

JES2 converter via /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=xxxx

2007-08-28 Thread Mark H. Young
In a JES2 MAS (Multi Access SPOOL) environ with two different levels of z/OS running, if you submit a batch job on system , but want it to go thru conversion on system (for correct system symbol resolution), AND for execution on system , you would code a: /*JOBPARM SYSAFF=