Licence to kill -9

2011-11-28 Thread Lindy Mayfield
Us computer people, we have a lot of power. We can do at least as much or more damage (even if we are royally incompetent) such as a nurse, a doctor, an electrician, a plumber or some such professional. What are your thoughts about having some sort of certification for working with computers?

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-28 Thread Rick Fochtman
-- Us computer people, we have a lot of power. We can do at least as much or more damage (even if we are royally incompetent) such as a nurse, a doctor, an electrician, a plumber or some such professional. What are

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-28 Thread Mike Schwab
http://www.webopedia.com/quick_ref/ComputerCertifications.asp http://www.mcmcse.com/othercerts.shtml http://www-03.ibm.com/certify/certs/index.shtml Just the first three good looking links I found. A lot more on the first page of http://www.google.com/search?q=microsoft+certification On Mon, Nov

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-28 Thread Tony Harminc
On 28 November 2011 16:03, Lindy Mayfield wrote: > Us computer people, we have a lot of power.  We can do at least as much or > more damage (even if we are royally incompetent)  such as a nurse, a doctor, > an electrician, a plumber or some such professional. > > What are your thoughts about hav

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-28 Thread Lindy Mayfield
I have a lot of respect for you. And your opinions. I agree that the way we do things at the moment, that people hiring check us out as well as they can before hiring us. I think we all can agree on this. Fuxk the alphabet of soupe of trivial acronyms and such. we already know what they mean

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-28 Thread Bobbie Justice
Interviews will usually weed out the b.s. artists, doesn't necessarily detect potential personality conflicts. having a "certification" doesn't guarantee that you will be a good fit for the company, or vice versa. bring someone in as a contractor for x amount of time. if you like the work th

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-28 Thread Steve Thompson
> What are your thoughts about having some sort of certification for > working with computers? Like a doctor or nurse or pilot or even a > flight attendant? I mean, come on, a plumber? There is a group that does something called the Certified Data Processor (CDP). Some years ago, when I w

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-28 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Interviews will usually weed out the b.s. artists, doesn't necessarily detect >potential personality conflicts. I've seen many bs artists 'beat' the interview process. Accreditation has always been problematic in my experience. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-28 Thread Chris Hoelscher
For my entire career I have been told I am certifiable - does this qualify ??? Chris hoelscher Database Administrator |Technical Services Humana 123 East Main Street |Louisville, KY 40202 T 502.476.2538 F choelsc...@humana.com Humana.com Keeping CAS and Metavance safe for all HUMANAty There is

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-28 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 11/28/2011 05:08 PM, Steve Thompson wrote: What are your thoughts about having some sort of certification for working with computers? Like a doctor or nurse or pilot or even a flight attendant? I mean, come on, a plumber? There is a group that does something called the Certified Data P

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 11/28/2011 at 05:08 PM, Steve Thompson said: >There is a group that does something called the Certified Data >Processor (CDP). I hold a CDP[1]. I don't bother to list it on my résumé. Were I hiring, I wouldn't consider a CDP relevant. >OK, now let's look at TSO, ISPF, HLASM, IPCS, et

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <45fcfbbb8bc8eb4a9dfedc6fa2cc7fdf0b0...@sdkmbx03.emea.sas.com>, on 11/28/2011 at 09:03 PM, Lindy Mayfield said: >What are your thoughts about having some sort of certification for >working with computers? The Devil is in the details. If you're talking about a bank of multiple choice quest

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-29 Thread Lindy Mayfield
er 29, 2011 12:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Licence to kill -9 Interviews will usually weed out the b.s. artists, doesn't necessarily detect potential personality conflicts. having a "certification" doesn't guarantee that you will be a good fit for the company

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-29 Thread Lindy Mayfield
alf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Licence to kill -9 In summary, I think we're equally served by our own efforts at self-policing; no separately constituted policing body could really do much more. (Curious: "Lindy"

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-29 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 4:37 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Licence to kill -9 > > I have a lot of respect for you. A

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-29 Thread Don Imbriale
As a systems programmer, I don't need to know everything, I just need to know where to get answers. During the past few years we see more and more posts from those who seemingly are new to systems programming. Most of what follows is for the benefit of those new sysprogs; those of us who have bee

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <45fcfbbb8bc8eb4a9dfedc6fa2cc7fdf0b1...@sdkmbx03.emea.sas.com>, on 11/29/2011 at 12:47 PM, Lindy Mayfield said: >There is just too much information to remember it all. The problem isn't the information that you can't remember but know how to look up. The problem is the information that you

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-29 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 11/29/2011 9:16 AM, Don Imbriale wrote: The manuals should be the first place to go. Google can be useful, but should be used only after using the manuals. The message or other symptoms, when used as a search argument, may not reveal anything. This is not an indication that you have encount

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-30 Thread Lindy Mayfield
.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Licence to kill -9 When they talk about their skills in Assembler, I ask them to write a simple prog

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-30 Thread Steve Comstock
e Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Licence to kill -9 When they talk about their skills in Assemble

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <45fcfbbb8bc8eb4a9dfedc6fa2cc7fdf0b2...@sdkmbx03.emea.sas.com>, on 11/30/2011 at 08:26 AM, Lindy Mayfield said: >One "test question" back some years ago with I was working in >Heidelberg was to ask the interviewee what would they do if they >encountered some network problems. That's a perf

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-30 Thread Joe Aulph
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On > Behalf Of Rick Fochtman > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:09 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Licence to kill -9 > > > ---

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-30 Thread McKown, John
m: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Aulph > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:32 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Licence to kill -9 > > Simple enough: > > GET SYSIN,SYSSPACE > PUT SYS

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-30 Thread Rick Fochtman
htman Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Licence to kill -9 When they talk about their skills in Assembler, I ask them to write a simple program to copy one file to

Re: Licence to kill -9

2011-11-30 Thread Lindy Mayfield
t I can do it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 3:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Licence to kill -9 . If you need any hints / samples, you could visi