Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-30 Thread Bill Fairchild
esday, June 30, 2010 6:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software In <77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca343c2f...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com>, on 06/28/2010 at 06:27 PM, Bill Fairchild said: >How many relatives did he have and does he still have? Tens

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <4c28652f.9090...@bremultibank.com.pl>, on 06/28/2010 at 11:02 AM, "R.S." said: >BTW: A programmer I know, used to put "time bombs" into program. The >bombs were deleted after he got money for his job. He considered it >as some kind of insurance. Is it unethical? Yes, but it was an >weapon

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca343c2f...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com>, on 06/28/2010 at 06:27 PM, Bill Fairchild said: >How many relatives did he have and does he still have? Tens of >billions. Is the number increasing exponentially? Yes. No. It's "quenched exponential growth", i.e.,

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-29 Thread Ken Porowski
Taken to extremes YOU are probably a relative (FSVO relative) -Original Message- George Henke Statistical remarkability, in this case, depends on the precise definition of "relative", and no precision was given in the original reference to Machiavelli. How many relatives did he have and

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-29 Thread George Henke
Statistical remarkability, in this case, depends on the precise definition of "relative", and no precision was given in the original reference to Machiavelli. How many relatives did he have and does he still have? Tens of billions. Is the number increasing exponentially? Yes. There will be anot

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Kirk Talman
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 06/28/2010 03:38:32 PM: > From: Ted MacNEIL > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Date: 06/28/2010 03:38 PM > Subject: Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > >Yep. MSI & MSX. There was a com

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/28/2010 2:38:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, eamacn...@yahoo.ca writes: But, I thought, and I could be wrong, that Duquense, became a company after Moreno merged with the provider of SDSI. >> Definitely foggy about the whole thing. We had MSX and MICS and were doing E

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Yep. MSI & MSX. There was a competitor from maybe Duquense but it always lost the benchmarks. SDSI, which I have also worked with. But, I thought, and I could be wrong, that Duquense, became a company after Moreno merged with the provider of SDSI. 1985? - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Rick Fochtman
--- PS: no unethical persons were harmed while writing this post... ;-D - Why not?? :-) Rick

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/28/2010 2:05:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jkali...@csc.com writes: We used to run Super-MSI (Multiple Systems Integrity) from Allen Systems Group, circa 1980. >> Yep. MSI & MSX. There was a competitor from maybe Duquense but it always lost the benchmarks. --

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/28/2010 2:02:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, eamacn...@yahoo.ca writes: don't remember MIX, but I have been wrong before >> No, you're correct. The gutter folks have me a little flummoxed. -- For I

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread John P Kalinich
Ed Finnell of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 06/28/2010 01:59:23 PM: > In a message dated 6/28/2010 1:28:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > bi...@mainstar.com writes: > > I think the poster meant MICS, and not MIX. I don't remember any MIX > product. > > > >> > MIX was real. Precurso

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>MIX was real. Precursor to MIM, > Allen Systems. Enabled us to do stuff with multiprocessors that GRS couldn't > handle. I thought it was MSX/MSI. I don't remember MIX, but I have been wrong before. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! --

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/28/2010 1:28:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bi...@mainstar.com writes: I think the poster meant MICS, and not MIX. I don't remember any MIX product. >> MIX was real. Precursor to MIM, Allen Systems. Enabled us to do stuff with multiprocessors that GRS couldn't han

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Bill Fairchild
This post is trivial enough to require posting on a Friday, but it points out the meaninglessness of anything that is not defined precisely enough. We don't need to use Google to figure this out. If we had perfect documentation, I think everyone on earth today could be shown to be a relative o

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:04:12 EDT, Ed Finnell wrote: > >Back when it was MIX, they'd fall on some relative of Machiavelli's >birthday! Sinister > Perhaps this is statistically unremarkable. How many relatives does Machiavelli have? Is the number increasing exponentially? -- gil

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/28/2010 9:50:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, paulgboul...@aim.com writes: Perhaps this is statistically unremarkable. How many relatives does Machiavelli have? Is the number increasing exponentially? >> Google's pretty good at these types rhetorical discourses. “No e

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/28/2010 8:37:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dennis.ro...@lmco.com writes: in a parmlib or lmod. It is a well defined and accepted practice, so long as it is stated upfront. >> Back when it was MIX, they'd fall on some relative of Machiavelli's birthday! Sinister

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Roach, Dennis (N-GHG)
/Topic Selling poisoned software > > >Rick Fochtman pisze: > >> Disabling your own software after a certain date is one thing; > unpleasant > but not unheard of. Disabling the whole shop is HIGHLY UNETHICAL and > should be condemned with all possible vigor. > > >U

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >Rick Fochtman pisze: >> Disabling your own software after a certain date is one thing; unpleasant but not unheard of. Disabling the whole shop is HIGHLY UNETHICAL and should be condemned with all possible vigor. >Unethical - sure. Unlawful? Not necessarily. And can be

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-28 Thread R.S.
Rick Fochtman pisze: [...] Disabling your own software after a certain date is one thing; unpleasant but not unheard of. Disabling the whole shop is HIGHLY UNETHICAL and should be condemned with all possible vigor. Unethical - sure. Unlawful? Not necessarily. And can be hard to prove. BTW: A

Re: O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-27 Thread Rick Fochtman
Arrested the managers of a company that sold 'software' poisoned 1,000 companies. Fraudsters introduced "errors controlled" for the system to fail at a particular dateDUVA JESUS - Madrid - 22/06/2010 VoteResult 147 votes. The Guardia Civil have arrested three managers of a company that sells c

O/Topic Selling poisoned software

2010-06-26 Thread Ed Gould
Arrested the managers of a company that sold 'software' poisoned 1,000 companiesFraudsters introduced "errors controlled" for the system to fail at a particular dateDUVA JESUS - Madrid - 22/06/2010VoteResult  147 votes The Guardia Civil have arrested three managers of a company that sells custo