Re: Tapeless backup

2008-03-10 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/07/2008 at 02:11 PM, Leitner, Timothy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: We are exploring different options and the wintel side of the house is heading down the totally tapeless path. What are you backing up? Why? Which tapeless path? If you have to protect against, e.g.,

Re: Tapeless backup

2008-03-09 Thread Timothy Sipples
As another difference, there are WORM tape cartridges available which are quite unlike disk storage. Some industries require WORM capabilities. Also, TS1120 drives can encrypt at the controller (in the drive), with keys managed by z/OS's ICSF. That functionality is becoming increasingly important,

Re: SPAM: Re: Tapeless backup

2008-03-08 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip--- We have a similar issue in our shop. The midrange area wants tapeless. the Mainframe side TAPE. We have a VTS and ATL. We use the product DRVI to stack the VTS Tape backups to an real tape and ship it offsite for DR purposes. Tape is cheap.

Re: Tapeless backup

2008-03-08 Thread R.S.
Leitner, Timothy wrote: All, How many places have implemented tapeless backup environments? I don't mean virtual tape that has tape on the back-end but no tape at all. We are exploring different options and the wintel side of the house is heading down the totally tapeless path. That makes me

Re: Tapeless backup

2008-03-08 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.
Leitner, Timothy wrote: All, How many places have implemented tapeless backup environments? I don't mean virtual tape that has tape on the back-end but no tape at all. We are exploring different options and the wintel side of the house is heading down the totally tapeless path. That makes me

Re: Tapeless backup

2008-03-07 Thread David Andrews
On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 14:11 -0600, Leitner, Timothy wrote: the wintel side of the house is heading down the totally tapeless path. That makes me nervous but I'm getting old. A friend once told me: You drive like an old lady! and I replied: How do you think they get to be old

Re: Tapeless backup

2008-03-07 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leitner, Timothy Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Tapeless backup All, How many places have implemented tapeless backup environments? I

Re: Tapeless backup

2008-03-07 Thread Arthur T.
On 7 Mar 2008 12:41:47 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, John) wrote: How many places have implemented tapeless backup environments? I don't mean virtual tape that has tape on the back-end but no tape at all. We are exploring

Re: Tapeless backup

2008-03-07 Thread Lizette Koehler
We have a similar issue in our shop. The midrange area wants tapeless. the Mainframe side TAPE. We have a VTS and ATL. We use the product DRVI to stack the VTS Tape backups to an real tape and ship it offsite for DR purposes. Tape is cheap. tape can survive years in a dusty hole and still

Re: Tapeless backup

2008-03-07 Thread Brian Westerman
I've implemented tapeless backup at several of our customer sites. The cost is obscenely cheap, but it's not for everyone. The advantage it provides is the ability to ship it easily once it's in the final format. It's reshapable so that it can be stored on a SAN easily, but can also be