Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-24 Thread Ed Gould
Benyamin: It was later explained to me that SPF was written at a woman's undergarment (Bra?) place in Chicago by I think an IBM person (or group). My mind is complete blank as to its name. Whoever came up with structured program facility was short sighted IMO. The immediate use might have

Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-24 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:00:22 -0600 Ed Gould wrote: :>I think you are about right on the time line. I do remember the two :>separate products. We had look at ISPF (we had gone FSE instead). :>Our IBMers at the time went AWOL and I could never get a good :>explanation between the two products.

Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-22 Thread Ed Gould
626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 12/21/2011 03:23 PM Subject:Re: SPF timeline? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List In <2543323993444028.wa.elardus.engelbrecht

Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-22 Thread Ed Finnell
IMS and JES3. We sent a few back and made do with the rest. The 3rd party OEM's usually booked us as in interim stop on the way make them motor on the FACOM's. We had a large TPNS simulation group and everything had to pass muster thru them before we started any rollouts. In a message dat

Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <12acb.3c72dbe2.3c240...@aol.com>, on 12/21/2011 at 11:04 PM, Ed Finnell said: >They were ESP's but you're right it was after XA. Aha! ESP's are essentially beta tests, mot packaging of GA software, and pretty much have to include the proper levels of related software. E.g., if you're runn

Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Finnell
They were ESP's but you're right it was after XA. In a message dated 12/21/2011 6:50:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net writes: which did deliver a lot of products together with MVS/SP and later. --

Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-21 Thread Skip Robinson
tters knows what it is. . . JO.Skip Robinson SCE Infrastructure Technology Services Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 12/21/2011 04

Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-21 Thread Skip Robinson
"Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 12/21/2011 03:23 PM Subject:Re: SPF timeline? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List In <2543323993444028.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@bama.ua.edu>, on 12/21/2011 at 07:22 AM, Elardus Enge

Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <4ef23f19.2000...@ameritech.net>, on 12/21/2011 at 03:18 PM, scott said: >At one time you could have MVT or MVS without TSO via a sysgen. It was certainly optional in OS/360 and I believe that it was optional in SVS, but are you sure that it was still optional in MVS? GC28-0984-0[1], OS/VS

Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <4752.44e5772e.3c239...@aol.com>, on 12/21/2011 at 03:37 PM, Ed Finnell said: >IIRC ISPF was the early vestiges of SP 1.3 or so in preparation for >XA. No, ISPF wasn't bundled until much later. Perhaps you're thinking of the IPO, PDO and similar vehicles, which did deliver a lot of product

Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <2543323993444028.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@bama.ua.edu>, on 12/21/2011 at 07:22 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht said: >http://www.planetmvs.com/spfeditor/ispfhist.txt Thanks. Now if I could just get the dates for 5740-XT8 and 5787-XT2. >Some background of TSO and ISPF (missing good citati

Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Finnell
IIRC ISPF was the early vestiges of SP 1.3 or so in preparation for XA. Mike Loos talked me into taking over the ISPF project at SHARE and I lasted three or four SHAREs(not counting interims) before Company and SHARE reorgs folded my tent. The hot thing then was Cross-system products and ISPF

Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-21 Thread scott
On 12/21/2011 08:22 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Does anybody have a timeline of the various releases of Structured Programming Facility, System Productivity Facility, Interactive System Productivity Facility and ISPF/Program Development Facility? Will this

Re: SPF timeline?

2011-12-21 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >Does anybody have a timeline of the various releases of Structured Programming >Facility, System Productivity Facility, Interactive System Productivity >Facility and ISPF/Program Development Facility? Will this link helps you here? http://www.planetmvs.com/spf

SPF timeline?

2011-12-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
Does anybody have a timeline of the various releases of Structured Programming Facility, System Productivity Facility, Interactive System Productivity Facility and ISPF/Program Development Facility? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see