relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread CUNY Yann
Hi all, Can somebody tell me what is the relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ? Thanks ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Bruno Sugliani wrote: Or even more just by following the book that says that 62 bytes is the max size for an entry and 256 bytes is the directory size. So 4 should be safe Check again. It's 8 bytes for the name, 3 for TTR, 1 for flags, and a maximum of 62 for the data field. So you can fit a

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Kirk Talman
S229-3169-3 S/360 OS FE handbook 4th ed (1971July) p231to the rescue It's 8 bytes for the name, 3 for a TTR ("first block") 1 for flags (recently linked vanilla modules seem to have X'2C') 3 per optional TTR (you can have 0 to 3 of them - recently linked vanilla modules seem to have one - doc

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Kirk Talman wrote: 3 per optional TTR (you can have 0 to 3 of them - recently linked vanilla modules seem to have one - doc says "first block of text") and a maximum of 31 "user" half words (0-62) for the data field (recently linked vanilla modules seem to have 12 halfwords for total of 24 byt

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Lizette Koehler
this in a while. But this usually works for me. Lizette > > Hi all, > Can somebody tell me what is the relationship between > directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ? > > > --

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Fatemi, Reza
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ? That will depend on a couple of things. A rule of thumb I have used is Loadlib 4 members per DIR Blk Source 7 member per Dir Blk if ISPF Statistics are OFF Source 4 member per Dir

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Rob Scott
S/E datasets and Directory Blocks. I have not looked at this in a while. But this usually works for me. Lizette > > Hi all, > Can somebody tell me what is the relationship between > directory blocks and the number of m

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:09:35 +0200 CUNY Yann wrote: ::>Can somebody tell me what is the relationship between :>directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ? Each directory block has 256 bytes, of which 2 bytes are used for a count. The minimum directory entry is 12

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Steve Comstock
Blocks. I have not looked at this in a while. But this usually works for me. Lizette Hi all, Can somebody tell me what is the relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ? For loadlib's, "it depends"; we teach 4-7 member entries per direc

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Crawford, Robert C.
anything that's even remotely true!" - Homer Simpson -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: relationship between directory bl

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread R.S.
3 for loadlibs (minimum) 6 for "text" members with ISPF stats 21 for "text" members without ISPF stats (max.) I swear I read the numbers in some IBM documentation, but it was looong time ago (OS/390 2.6 times). Of course this is only for PDS. PDSE is another story (and expandable directory).

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
R.S. wrote: >3 for loadlibs (minimum) >6 for "text" members with ISPF stats >21 for "text" members without ISPF stats (max.) >I swear I read the numbers in some IBM documentation, but it was looong time ago (OS/390 2.6 times). No need to swear. You are correct of course! ;-D Source: Interacti

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>I do not have numbers for PDS/E datasets and Directory Blocks. PDS/E is not as important, since you don't run out. With PDS's, I usually allocate in multiples of 44, since that's how many directory blocks fit on a track. And, I usually allocate a cylinder's worth. - Too busy driving to stop fo

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On > Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:54 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of > member

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Chris Bowen
Be aware that some products/tools create and use "large" directory entries. For these purposes "large" means larger than a directory entry that contains ISPF stats. As far as I know Macro 4 markets no such products but our products do have to deal with "large" directory entries. Chris Bowen Macr

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 1 May 2009 11:26:01 -0500, Chris Bowen wrote: >Be aware that some products/tools create and use "large" directory entries. Also note that the z/OS 11 preview says that the ISPF statistics may be larger, reducing the number of members that will fit in a directory block. -- Tom Marchant

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Steve Comstock
Tom Marchant wrote: On Fri, 1 May 2009 11:26:01 -0500, Chris Bowen wrote: Be aware that some products/tools create and use "large" directory entries. Also note that the z/OS 11 preview says that the ISPF statistics may be larger, reducing the number of members that will fit in a directory blo

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Roach, Dennis (N-GHG)
near this or any other planet, moon, asteroid, or other spatial object, natural or manufactured, since the beginning of time. > -Original Message- > Behalf Of Steve Comstock > Subject: Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ? > > Tom

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
the number of members in a PDS ? On Fri, 1 May 2009 11:26:01 -0500, Chris Bowen wrote: >Be aware that some products/tools create and use "large" directory entries. Also note that the z/OS 11 preview says that the ISPF statistics may be larger, reducing the number of members that

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Chris Hoelscher
since everyone seems to have a (correct) different answer - how about just create a PDS as you think it will be created (or exists) at your site - start adding members and check the directory blocks used after each member add - you should then get a good idea for YOUR circumstances how many mem

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Gibney, Dave
t; To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of > members in a PDS ? > > since everyone seems to have a (correct) different answer - how about > just > create a PDS as you think it will be created (or exists) at your site - > start ad

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Bruno Sugliani
Or even more just by following the book that says that 62 bytes is the max size for an entry and 256 bytes is the directory size. So 4 should be safe :-)) Bruno Sugliani zxnetconsult(at)free(dot)fr http://zxnetconsult.free.fr On Fri, 1 May 2009 11:48:44 -0700, Gibney, Dave wrote: >And the

Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Or even more just by following the book that says that 62 bytes is the max >size for an entry and 256 bytes is the directory size. >So 4 should be safe I went out years ago and decided I should never have to worry about directory sizes. Because I experimented with 1-track datasets, I missed t