Charles Mills wrote:
It's true. Also furniture stores don't have to put up with customers who
call and say "Aunt Sally fell off the couch yesterday" and expecting them to
come up with a solution.
IMHO they care about it. If it is couch failure. The same apply for the
software. Unless you hav
IMHO, the problem is not with tiered pricing, but the fact that mainframes
are getting more powerful. At any given time the top of the line mainframe
is about twice as powerful as the ones available just a couple of years
ago, so the cost of the software doubles.
z/OS.e costs about a tenth of
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Of Eric N. Bielefeld
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Subject: Re: the "why" of tiered pricing (Was RE: Using Java in batch on
z/OS?)
I think I've used the same argument, but there is a difference between
software and couches. Most software c
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> [snip]
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> We have the same problem in pricing training. In fact, just
> about any non-monopoy business has difficulty setting the
> "right" price for their products or services.
>
> We are fanat
I think I've used the same argument, but there is a difference between
software and couches. Most software companies come out with new releases
and fixes for problems. I don't recall a furniture vendor coming out with a
new release of their couch, and then giving it to you.
Eric Bielefeld
Sr
uot;x% off of what?" (off the bad old no discount price, of course ).
Charles
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Charles Mills wrote:
whereas the first time a big shop, upon being quoted the price said "is
that one-time or per-month?" I realized I was leaving a heck of a lot of
money on the table with the big shops.
So I quickly joined the party and went to tiered (or as it was called
then, "group") prici
Charles Mills wrote:
bigger datacenters should pay more for electricity
Well, yes, they probably do. Not more per kwh, but more in total. Less per
kwh, but more in total. And that's how most MIPS charging works also, I
believe.
As I more-or-less said in my last para., no one thinks anyone sh
On Jun 4, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
he bigger you are the more JCL errors you have?
Probably, generally speaking, I would think so, yes.
Charles
I cannot prove this but I have observed that this is not the case.
The bigger the company the fewer JCL errors. The smaller compa
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There are companies, where people responsible for purchasing are
measured(!) by discounts they get. So if you want to sell them
something for $1,000, you say the list price is $5,000 and give them
80% discount. I saw several such situations at my previous job.
Marian Gasparovic
On 6/4/06, Steve
Charles Mills wrote:
The MIPS pricing model is terrible - it's just the best model we had. I used
to give the example that you buy a couch for $500. Several years later you
add a new bedroom onto your house - and the furniture store calls you up and
says that now that your house has more square f
R.S. wrote:
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What pricing model is fair ?
I don't know. However I know, what is reality: it is necessary to fing
competitive vendor, get their offer, including migration assistance, and
re-negotiate the original agreement. Result: 1/3 of original price. In
fact, I don't care what pricin
h.
Charles
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Charles Mills wrote:
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ect: Re: the "why" of tiered pricing (Was RE: Using Java in batch on
z/OS?)
On Jun 4, 2006, at 7:18 AM, R.S. wrote:
> -SNIP---
> It wasn't my question, however I think you didn't answered why
> bigger installation sh
Edward Jaffe wrote:
Ed Gould wrote:
So,. The bigger you are the more JCL errors you have? ... h I
don't think so.
It's likely that a bigger company, with a bigger IT staff, will submit
more jobs and experience more JCL errors.
I don't see correspondence between JCL errors and pri
Ed Gould wrote:
So,. The bigger you are the more JCL errors you have? ... h I
don't think so.
It's likely that a bigger company, with a bigger IT staff, will submit
more jobs and experience more JCL errors.
Todays' PC industry charges "per seat" or "per computer" for most
things. If
On Jun 4, 2006, at 7:18 AM, R.S. wrote:
-SNIP---
It wasn't my question, however I think you didn't answered why
bigger installation should pay more. In my opinion MSU-based fee is
sometimes justified, while sometimes is not.
Examples:
(jus
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/04/2006
at 02:18 PM, "R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>So, I see you joined the party because of incomes, not because it is
>more fair model, or other reason. Just - bigger isntallation means
>more money to spend. Using this idea bigger datacenters should pay
>mo
Charles Mills wrote:
[...]
whereas the first time a big shop, upon being quoted the price, said "is
that one-time or per-month?" I realized I was leaving a heck of a lot of
money on the table with the big shops.
So I quickly joined the party and went to tiered (or as it was called then,
"group")
> if you (John) or anyone else really does understand the "why" of tiered
pricing
I'll be happy to. In 1988 I wrote a mainframe product and brought it to
market. In my naïveté, I decided to price it at $24,000 one size fits all.
I quickly found that it was priced way out of the market for small
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