Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-29 Thread Edward Jaffe
Edward Jaffe wrote: If you were at SHARE, you might have been to Geoff Smith's "brainstorming" and requirements gathering session. The proceedings are: http://ew.share.org/client_files/callpapers/attach/SHARE_in_San_Jose/S2889GS132442.pdf Geoff showed how IBM is heading away from book-orien

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 09/10/2008 at 09:05 AM, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >The lack of POO in HTML has created hardship for those of us that >routinely discuss programming in assembler language via email discussion >lists and the like. I'd say that it's the lack of POO in a f

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-12 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:43:13 -0700, Gibney, Dave wrote: > > So far, that makes, IBM, IDP and Phoenix the ones I know still >provide Book Manager format. Wish I could name a few more vendors in >that list :) Compuware. -- Tom Marchant Abend-AID Development Compuware ---

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-11 Thread Rick Fochtman
It appears I was wrong and I offer my apologies to IDP again. FDR is't a product I install here. I took the installers word for what I claimed and did not check further. Actually, Innovation is sending me another CD for myself

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-11 Thread Gibney, Dave
m: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Rick Fochtman > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:29 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10) > > ---

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-11 Thread Rick Fochtman
- For documentation, and if book manager is out, that means I will have to content with the pdf files. :-( But I don't have to like it. - Complete agreement, Barb. BookManager stil

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:54:30 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: > >And, BookManager format -- as rendered by Library Server -- provides the >all-important HTML via browser format. I can post a link to a manual >reference right here on IBM-MAIN and everyone can read it without having >to download some gigan

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-10 Thread Barbara Nitz
>I got the distinct impression InfoCenter was the future And I get the distinct impression that I get too old for the new clickable stuff! While I can live with that on the corporate bandwidth, at oh:dark:30 on a 64kB connection it certainly won't do. It is already bad enough when I have to rea

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-10 Thread Glen Gasior
When I was working with IBM SWG at RTP during system verification test of WebSphere Portal 6.0.1, reviewing InfoCenter for errors was a large part of the process. I got the distinct impression InfoCenter was the future. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-10 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe > > [ snip ] > > Several cogent letters have been written to IBM articulating > the need for POO in HTML. IBM is aware of the problem and > claims to be working on a solution. (Probably Eclipse help >

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-10 Thread Edward Jaffe
Edward Jaffe wrote: Several cogent letters have been written to IBM articulating the need for POO in HTML. IBM is aware of the problem and claims to be working on a solution. (Probably Eclipse help format.) Off the record, I heard that the BookManager build process "broke" when the POO got too

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-10 Thread Edward Jaffe
Tom Marchant wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:39:32 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:08:34 +0200, Barbara Nitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some of the manuals (WebSphere, POPS) haven't had book manager versions for a while already. And I usually have the -3 version of the

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-10 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:39:32 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: >On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:08:34 +0200, Barbara Nitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Some of the manuals (WebSphere, POPS) haven't had book manager >versions for a while already. And I usually have the -3 version of the Principles of Operation .bo

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-10 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10) It's funny, because if you look at the discussion o

Re: z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-10 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden > > At SHARE I heard from someone that all book manager (and > PDF?) will be replaced by something (I forgot what ... > probably something like the library center). Forced to choose between the (Java-bas

z/OS Documentation - again (was Re: zOS R10)

2008-09-10 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:08:34 +0200, Barbara Nitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >And another good source of documentation goes down the drain, making it harder to debug a problem. > >I just hate pdfs, they're big and unwieldy, they take forever to download (a 4MB book yesterday afternoon took more th