Re: Transition requirements for new world was Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-08-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 08/01/2005 at 03:19 PM, Clark Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I suspect the need to handle things like long filenames and other new >world stuff will doom these programs in the long term. Probably, but it's the migration that I'm concerned with. >Since z/OS suppor

Re: Transition requirements for new world was Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-08-01 Thread Clark Morris
Sorry about the belated response. On 30 Jun 2005 14:58:54 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/29/2005 > at 08:40 PM, Clark Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >>Shmeul > >That's Shmuel! I claim bad typing because I looked up one of your posts to get it righ

Re: Transition requirements for new world was Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/29/2005 at 08:40 PM, Clark Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Shmeul That's Shmuel! >For the rest of the points raised I am making the following >assumptions and need to understand if they are correct. No. PL/I supports BSAM. >4 Few if any applications programs

Re: Transition requirements for new world was Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-30 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
uot;, no matter the locality of the data. -Original Message- From: Clark Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 8:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Transition requirements for new world was Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world In the exchange

Transition requirements for new world was Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-29 Thread Clark Morris
In the exchange below there is an important point about how we get from where we are to where the system is going. Shmeul is saying we will need a compatibility interface for BSAM and BPAM while I am contending this won't be necessary. We may or may not be as far apart as the discussion below ind

Transition requirements for new world was Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-29 Thread Clark Morris
In the exchange below there is an important point about how we get from where we are to where the system is going. Shmeul is saying we will need a compatibility interface for BSAM and BPAM while I am contending this won't be necessary. We may or may not be as far apart as the discussion below ind

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/25/2005 at 11:32 PM, Clark Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Since the actual hardware is FBA now and the magic is done in the >controller, I see no need for the CKD oriented access methods to be >ported to new style devices. I wasn't suggesting new device-depende

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/26/2005 at 08:33 AM, Steve Comstock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >All data is either UTF-32 text or binary Why not provide for optionally storing data in the more compact UTF8 and UTF16? They could still be presented to the applications as UTF32. You need the transfo

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-26 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:33:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Never have competing architectures (zSeries, iSeries, pSeries, etc. I still can't keep them all straight). Just the SA series. Think of the cost savings. Think of the simplicity. How you going to p

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-26 Thread Steve Comstock
Clark Morris wrote: [snip] The devil is in the details. I agree that changes to name lengths and use of Unicode will require drastic changes to the BCP but the combination of FBA and name length and character set changes will have a drastic impact on the JESs. The most important questions ar

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-25 Thread Clark Morris
On 24 Jun 2005 15:26:48 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/23/2005 > at 02:12 PM, Clark Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >>In regard to the legacy code, ten years ago I might have agreed with >>you and argued for a compatibility interface. Since the FBA

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/23/2005 at 02:12 PM, Clark Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >In regard to the legacy code, ten years ago I might have agreed with >you and argued for a compatibility interface. Since the FBA change >would be part of an overall revolutionary set of changes requirin

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-23 Thread Clark Morris
On 21 Jun 2005 13:11:49 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/20/2005 > at 09:31 PM, Clark Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >>1. There must be a path from EBCDIC to either Unicode or the full >>ISO 10646 character set for all scripting languages, compiler s

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/20/2005 at 09:31 PM, Clark Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >1. There must be a path from EBCDIC to either Unicode or the full >ISO 10646 character set for all scripting languages, compiler source, >internal names, etc. Yes, preferably with transparent handling

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-21 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/21/2005 11:34:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not through this forum. >> Yeah, too much fertilizer! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send ema

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... > A very nice summary of some of the most glaring problems. > > But will anyone at IBM listen... ... Not through this forum. Try SHARE, or other accepted means of asking for changes. -teD (The secret to success is sincerity. If you can fake that, you've got it made!) ---

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-21 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 21, 2005, at 7:39 AM, Joe Zitzelberger wrote: SNIP- A very nice summary of some of the most glaring problems. But will anyone at IBM listen... Joe (or anyone): Would you like to add to the list? Ed -

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-21 Thread Joe Zitzelberger
On Jun 20, 2005, at 8:31 PM, Clark Morris wrote: 1. There must be a path from EBCDIC to either Unicode or the full ISO 2. Given that 54 gigabytes is a relatively small disk drive in the 3. The limitation to eight characters for names and passwords (44 4. A clearer direct batch submission lang

z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-20 Thread Clark Morris
On 15 Jun 2005 04:54:55 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >Think back to 1989, when someone recognized that MVS could not bid on >govenment contracts due to the lack of POSIX functions required by some >FIPS standard. So they (IBM managment) asked for volunteers in MVS >development to w