Re: Allocation test

2013-09-21 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 9/21/2013 9:41 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Directory build *does* write an EOF. The problem here is that there was no directory build. It has not been established whether the described behavior is due to allocation looking at zero directory blocks and bypassing the build, rather th

Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure

2013-09-21 Thread David Crayford
On 21/09/2013 4:20 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 20:06:39 +0800, David Crayford wrote: They seem to trust Amazon EC2 to deliver mission critical systems. Is this a trend or a flash in the pan? I don't have an issue with anyone using FOSS. Software that is - trusting confidentia

Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure

2013-09-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
The link doesn't go there anymore. I get top headlines only. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: efinnell15 Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 14:31:26 To: Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure

2013-09-21 Thread John Gilmore
No, Phil, it is not a question of my 'telling'. I will repeat my point just one more time. No encryption scheme that the five eyes recommend should be used in any circumstance in which you wish to be secure against them or those of their competitors who also dispose of, in practical terms, unlim

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 09/20/2013 at 02:05 AM, Mike Schwab said: >If we were still using real 3390s, I would suggest a track full >of EOF records. Why? The first should be enough. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 We don't care. We don't ha

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <523b395e.50...@valley.net>, on 09/19/2013 at 01:50 PM, Gerhard Postpischil said: >I'm conflicted whether this should produce a JCL error. I can't think of any circumstance in which I wouldn't want an error message for an explicit DSORG=PO with a zero directory quantity on a new allocation

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <069f4b2c-987c-4e1a-9031-74b2a26a1...@yahoo.com>, on 09/19/2013 at 08:28 PM, Scott Ford said: >I guess this doesn't apply to br14 The reference to OPEN isn't relevant to IEFBR14, but allocation works the same regardless of what progam the EXEC statement specifies. -- Shmuel (Seymou

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <142481833.948799.1379636086107.javamail.r...@sz0127a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>, on 09/20/2013 at 12:14 AM, DASDBILL2 said: >I tried, unsuccessfully, four or five years ago to write an EOF >record with a non-zero key length but a zero data length, On what device? >and it failed wi

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <9823956692690441.wa.mathwstittbellsouth@listserv.ua.edu>, on 09/19/2013 at 08:42 AM, Matthew Stitt said: >I also recall discussions about the minimum block size for datasets >(disk and tape). It seems there was some magic about 20 bytes maybe >being close to the minimum. 18. Tape, to

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <3097304782371193.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 09/19/2013 at 11:26 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >We have evidence in this thread that what that manual says is untrue. We don't need this thread to see that what the quoted text says is untrue; there is no "physical end-of-file cha

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <4360602823278101.wa.doughenryusbank@listserv.ua.edu>, on 09/19/2013 at 12:17 PM, Doug Henry said: >But if you do a valid allocation what the manual says is correct. If you specify a valid allocation for a directory then what the manual says about "Ensured Data Integrity on New Allocat

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <20130919105935.d48c3c35881ab4db81c1e...@gmx.net>, on 09/19/2013 at 10:59 AM, "nitz-...@gmx.net" said: >that confirms that there is a bug somewhere in allocation. No; there are too many other variables. >The same job should result in the same allocation on two different >lpars, Maybe, if

Re: IEBCOPY - "MOVE"

2013-09-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <2372770761776465.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu>, on 09/19/2013 at 01:19 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht said: >Ok. If you say so. What was the first IBM utility? I don't know[1] what the first IBM utility was that did a dynamic allocation, but it wasn't IEHMOVE, because IEHMOVE

Re: Allocation test

2013-09-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <20130919103311.ca8dd8fb03992fe99...@gmx.net>, on 09/19/2013 at 10:33 AM, "nitz-...@gmx.net" said: >SPACE=(TRK,(1,0,0)), Does your first track start with an EOF? If not, what is in the first block[1]? SMS? What does your ACS specify for it? [1] I'd use AMASPZAP to dump it, but use wha

Re: DYNALLOC reusing DUMMY

2013-09-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <7754700783082549.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 09/18/2013 at 06:06 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Is "in use" synonymous with "open"? No. From OS/VS2 System Programming Library: Job Management VS2 Release 3, GC28-0627-0: "Using an Existing Allocation When successive processes u

Re: List out all Indirect catalogued datasets

2013-09-21 Thread retired mainframer
It seems to me you would want to do this for all the program product datasets, whether indirectly catalogued or not. :>: -Original Message- :>: From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On :>: Behalf Of baby eklavya :>: Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:07 PM :

Re: Unused variables

2013-09-21 Thread efinnell15
Yeah, might have to go back and read some of those old backups for legal or otherwise unplanned situations. Probably be on the bottom of a 'to do' list as we covert to JAVA. In a message dated 09/21/13 18:18:57 Central Daylight Time, cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca writes: This may also apply to LO

Re: Unused variables

2013-09-21 Thread Clark Morris
On 20 Sep 2013 08:12:42 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main John Gilmore wrote: >The idea of eliminating unreferenced variables in COBOL record >declarations is of course absurd, and fulminations against it are at >best otiose. It is always possible to construct quietist arguments >against change, an

Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure

2013-09-21 Thread Phil Smith
John Gilmore wrote: >A chacun son goût! Anyone who judges AES adequate to his needs is of >course free to use it. >I will, however, add that cracking by enumeration of cases is not what >I had in mind. In such terms even DES is impressive, but they are >irrelevant. Do tell...?

Re: ICSF Without Crypto Card?

2013-09-21 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-09-20 16:00, Lloyd Fuller pisze: No. The crypto cards preceded the z machines. They were available as part of the 9672s. There are several different ones with slightly different capabilities. They are all on the I/O bus so they are slightly slower than the CPACF hardware for th

Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure

2013-09-21 Thread John Gilmore
A chacun son goût! Anyone who judges AES adequate to his needs is of course free to use it. I will, however, add that cracking by enumeration of cases is not what I had in mind. In such terms even DES is impressive, but they are irrelevant. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA ---

Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure

2013-09-21 Thread efinnell15
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/geekquinox/china-surprises-computing-world-milky-way-2-supercomputer-163928852.html In a message dated 09/21/13 13:07:22 Central Daylight Time, p...@voltage.com writes: Nothing is "uncrackable" if you posit unlimited computing power and time, after all. -

Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure

2013-09-21 Thread Phil Smith
John Gilmore wrote: >I want to add, with as much urgency as I can muster, that >high-security encryption must be used to provide this protection. No >encryption scheme endorsed by Five Eyes provides any protection >against them or indeed against similar Chinese groups. >I, for one, judge that the

R744STRC SMF Field

2013-09-21 Thread Uwe Oswald
Hi @all, hope someone can help me. I got stuck on a problem with a SMF field. Have someone ever tried to analyze a SMF74 ST 4 (Coupling Facility Activity) record. I do not see the value 5425 as a long floating point value in the record in any field. Can someone point me into the right direction

Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure

2013-09-21 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
jwgli...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: > I want to add, with as much urgency as I can muster, that > high-security encryption must be used to provide this protection. No > encryption scheme endorsed by Five Eyes provides any protection > against them or indeed against similar Chinese groups. >

Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure

2013-09-21 Thread John Gilmore
Phil Smith wrote: Indeed. The issue with EC2 and the like isn't capability or reliability, it's security. Protecting the data yourself outside the cloud-never letting unprotected data into their network-is the only real assurance you can have. I want to add, with as much urgency as I can muster

Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure

2013-09-21 Thread Phil Smith
Shane Ginnane wrote, re use of Amazon EC2 to deliver mission critical systems: >I don't have an issue with anyone using FOSS. Software that is - trusting >confidential user/client data to companies subject to the draconian USA data >seizure laws is lunacy. Even European hosting doesn't secure the

Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure

2013-09-21 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 20:06:39 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >They seem to trust Amazon EC2 to deliver mission critical systems. Is >this a trend or a flash in the pan? I don't have an issue with anyone using FOSS. Software that is - trusting confidential user/client data to companies subject to th