Re: COBOL's NUMPROC compiler option

2015-04-21 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Very good question. Related... Has it been detailed just exactly what the differences between NUMPROC(MIG) and NUMPROC(NOPFD) are? And an even better question, what (if any) differences are there in the end results? From what I've observed by looking at the pseudo-assembler output.

Re: A Data Studio question

2015-04-21 Thread Jantje.
IDUG runs the DB2-L list. Most helpful people over there... http://www.idug.org/p/cm/ld/fid=78 Cheers, Jantje. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAGx7iU0u=mgg3ztz3_cadorybuseauewzm8ulhv9yc7re5p...@mail.gmail.com, on 04/20/2015 at 05:13 PM, Steff Gladstone steff.gladst...@gmail.com said: How do I use the ISGENQ macro in such a way that the ENQ lasts for the life of the entire job (or several job steps) and not just for the life of a

Re: COBOL's NUMPROC compiler option

2015-04-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 8918505894176310.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on 04/20/2015 at 03:11 PM, Tom Marchant 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu said: It is easy for us to fault the designers of System/360 and OS/360 for not considering the future requirement for more than 16 MB.

Re: COBOL's NUMPROC compiler option

2015-04-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 7935647633061500.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 04/20/2015 at 09:39 AM, Paul Gilmartin 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu said: I'm a skeptic about Postel's Principle. Google for MBZ. Your point on F zones is well taken, but given the card heritage IBM may

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In caajsdjhnhdj9azcgh+hwmwm46xyxkwzkmpmrk_-9x1m6pul...@mail.gmail.com, on 04/20/2015 at 10:09 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: I wonder if it would be possible to do a directed ENQ of a SYSDSN to the initiator TCB and then modify the SWA to generate the i nternal

Re: COBOL's NUMPROC compiler option

2015-04-21 Thread Timothy Sipples
OK, but what are we talking about here, in performance terms? NUMPROC(MIG) versus NUMPROC(NOPFD) offered some performance benefit in the past, but Enterprise COBOL 5.x offers a performance benefit, too. Basically, is this 2 steps forward 1 step back, or is it 1 step forward 2 steps back? The

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
From your other posts I understand that you don't want to change JCL, but you are able to change the code of the relevant programs and you know all the programs that are part of this operation and could do other operations or changes affecting your change management system operation. So: have

Re: User SMF Type 202?

2015-04-21 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: Hmmm, I always wanted to ask on IBM-MAIN: Are there any non-IBM software which enforces you to use SMF type number without giving you ability to override that number in parms or exit? Something like 'Use *my* number or die'... That list is indeed in Cheryl's SMF

Re: Outsourcing Experiences

2015-04-21 Thread Tony Harminc
On 21 April 2015 at 06:51, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: To pick another analogy, I don't think I've ever seen a rail system where the locomotive is outsourced but the train cars continue to be run in-house, or vice versa. Well I imagine things are much different in Singapore.

Re: User SMF Type 202?

2015-04-21 Thread Ed Finnell
I searched a little on MXG.com and found only ICFIDs for 202. In 12.227 circa 1994 there is an update for FDR IAM support added. In a message dated 4/21/2015 8:51:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, neil.e.er...@wellsfargo.com writes: IAM??

User SMF Type 202?

2015-04-21 Thread Charles Mills
Is there any other list of in-use User SMF record types in addition to Cheryl's? (http://www.watsonwalker.com/SMFreference.pdf) Is anyone aware of any product that generally uses Type 202? (And yes, I know that generally programs that involve User SMF Record Types allow the specification of a

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread John McKown
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In caajsdjhnhdj9azcgh+hwmwm46xyxkwzkmpmrk_-9x1m6pul...@mail.gmail.com, on 04/20/2015 at 10:09 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: I wonder if it would be possible to do a directed

Re: JES2 as primary with JES3 as a secondary

2015-04-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
Karl, If you are not aware - there are also a JES2 and JES3 list. If you would like to join, go to these URLs JES2http://listserv.vt.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=jes2-l JES3http://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/jes3-l.html The biggest difference I see is that JES3 needs to know it owns resources

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread John McKown
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Steff Gladstone steff.gladst...@gmail.com wrote: Even without modifying the SWA with information for the DD, as you suggested earlier? ​Yes, you can do the directed ENQ yourself without modifying the SWA. Which, by the by, I _mentioned_, not _suggested_. At

Re: User SMF Type 202?

2015-04-21 Thread Neil E. Ervin
IAM?? Neil E. Ervin Mainframe Performance Analyst Mainframe/Midrange Services Wells Fargo Compute Platform Services l North Carolina (Eastern Time Zone) MAC D1112-023 Cell 910-477-2536 l Text Pager: 9104772...@vtext.com neil.e.er...@wellsfargo.com TOG Recognition -Original

Re: User SMF Type 202?

2015-04-21 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Charles Mills wrote: Is there any other list of in-use User SMF record types in addition to Cheryl's? Cheryl is the only one person who is really kind enough to produce that handy document. Thanks Cheryl! I can't live without those small booklets. Is anyone aware of any product that

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:00:20 +0300, Steff Gladstone wrote: how does the operating systen itself maintain a continuous ENQ over several job steps for a dataset allocated in the first step with disp=(mod,pass)? It isn't so much a question of How as Who. The Initiator performs the ENQ and ATTACHes

JES2 as primary with JES3 as a secondary

2015-04-21 Thread Henn, Karl
Hello JES experts, My practical experience with JES3 is near zero, or even below zero. The software we develop rarely ever has to take into consideration the differences between JES2 and JES3. I can remember only 3 such cases in the past more than 15 years I have been working here. Every

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread John McKown
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:00 AM, Steff Gladstone steff.gladst...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you all for for help. The obvious question that remains is: how does the operating systen itself maintain a continuous ENQ over several job steps for a dataset allocated in the first step with

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Steff Gladstone
Even without modifying the SWA with information for the DD, as you suggested earlier? On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 2:50 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:00 AM, Steff Gladstone steff.gladst...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you all for for help. The

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:20:24 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: ... a IMO major design flaw in the ENQ process the Initiator can be forced to hold an ENQ for subsequent steps where it is no longer needed. The case I am talking about is there is no way to convert an EXC ENQ into a SHR one. What

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread John McKown
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com wrote: At 06:50 -0500 on 04/21/2015, John McKown wrote about Re: ENQ for the life of the job: ŠThe initiator (in general terms) is what reads the Šparsed JCL and creates the SWA control blocks which represent the job.

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 06:50 -0500 on 04/21/2015, John McKown wrote about Re: ENQ for the life of the job: ÐThe initiator (in general terms) is what reads the Ðparsed JCL and creates the SWA control blocks which represent the job. This code then knows the DSNs in the job and issues a single ENQ for _all_ of them

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:20:24 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: ... due to a IMO major design flaw in the ENQ process the Initiator can be forced to hold an ENQ for subsequent steps where it is no longer needed. The case I am talking about is there is no way to convert an EXC ENQ into a SHR one.

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAGx7iU1q55ZSw_pYRWmnMEs0DB1GYHnC28k7MJP_cHe=clv...@mail.gmail.com, on 04/21/2015 at 11:00 AM, Steff Gladstone steff.gladst...@gmail.com said: The obvious question that remains is: how does the operating systen itself maintain a continuous ENQ over several job steps for a dataset

Grid Config four clusters

2015-04-21 Thread John Benik
We are currently operating a Grid configuration with four clusters. Unfortunately some of the tapes that were inserted into our local cluster went into the wrong catagory code. Also unfortunately we cannot get the entry exit disabled on the remote host so of course it's possible that any host

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Eosze, Jonathan L.
MVS Solutions' Thruput Manager product is able to dynamically add limiting agents to JCL based on a set of rules, so that might be worth looking at. Jonathan Eosze | Sr Computer Sys Engr | IT Operations Mainframe Management 1 (IMS), Information Technology, USAA -Original Message-

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:05:51 -0500, John McKown wrote: ​The ability to atomically downgrade an ENQ from EXC to SHR is now/soon to be available in z/OS. I don't remember if it is a PTF or release 2.1.1 . ​ In: z/OS 2.1.0z/OS MVSz/OS MVS JCL ReferenceJOB statementDSENQSHR parameterOverrides

Re: COBOL's NUMPROC compiler option

2015-04-21 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
If I were in the position to decide which option to use, I would clearly vote for MIG. NOPFD does unnecessary fix-ups in certains cases, which causes some performance penalties, and I personally don't like the use of CLC for the comparison of decimal values, even if the lengths are the same, for

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 10:49 -0500 on 04/21/2015, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: ENQ for the life of the job: On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:20:24 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: ... a IMO major design flaw in the ENQ process the Initiator can be forced to hold an ENQ for subsequent steps where it is no longer

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread David Mingee
My following suggestions may be missing the desired goal.  But, what the heck here they are: 1. Use IEFBR14 with the required dsn and disp=old in step1 and in the last stepx after all required steps 2. Use IEHPROGM to rename the dsn(member) 3. Use IDCAMS alter dsn(member) 4. Use RACF batch step1

Re: Outsourcing Experiences

2015-04-21 Thread Timothy Sipples
On the other hand the window cleaning in this building is done by a window cleaning company, but other external and internal cleaning is done either in-house or by other companies who don't do exterior windows. Sure, but the point is that it's possible to establish clear lines of management

Re: Outsourcing Experiences

2015-04-21 Thread Tom Brennan
Timothy Sipples wrote: Sure, but the point is that it's possible to establish clear lines of management responsibility and control when separating in that way. Most commercial buildings have sealed windows, so exterior window cleaning is typically a separable service. Mopping and sweeping within

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 18:01:10 -0500, Walt Farrell wrote: Yes, but only for abnormal termination of the Initiator TCB, or for failure of the entire address space. In normal or abnormal termination of the jobstep task those resource managers won't help the OP, and the ENQ would remain outstanding

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Walt Farrell
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 16:39:00 +, Rob Scott rsc...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: No matter what you fiddle about with in SWA, these GRS resource manager routines will enable GRS to cleanup any underlying resources obtained by the task or address space. Yes, but only for abnormal termination of

Re: Outsourcing Experiences

2015-04-21 Thread Timothy Sipples
Don Grisnell wrote: We are currently exploring the option of outsourcing our mainframe environment. I know you asked for feedback offline, but I'd like to offer an important bit of online feedback. In my personal view, I do not think mainframe-only (or any platform-specific) outsourcing is a

Re: FTP to USS directory

2015-04-21 Thread zos reader
The Video is awesome. Thanks All for your help.. Is there any other alternate way to Transfer the scartX,zip file directly to Mainframe PDS member and apply the CAR2014 for CA1 instead of transferring to USS directory and then unzip the file and apply the CAR. I'm facing a problem with CAUNZIP

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread John McKown
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Steff Gladstone steff.gladst...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, John. My question was unclear. It was referring to your earlier remarks above: Thinking about it a bit more, given what Mr. Relson said about RTM, doing this _should_ work even if the

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-04-21 Thread Rob Scott
I think it is worth pointing out the most likely cleaning up logic used for enqueues (note that I do not have access to GRS source - but this is how I am guessing things work). GRS will establish a TYPE=ADDRSPC and a TYPE=TASK resource manager routine to cover all address spaces and all tasks