Re: Primary allocation of a dataset

2015-05-11 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
Sure, the ACS routines determine where your dataset goes and if your request is honored or not. You can bypass the ACS routines with the (IIRC) BYPASSACS parameter. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of willie bunter

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread Ed Gould
On May 11, 2015, at 9:36 AM, John Eells wrote: We see a low and decreasing percentage of our software orders on tape. If you are still using tape for z/OS platform software delivery (that is, any product that runs on z/OS, not just z/OS itself), I'd like to hear from you to understand: -

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread Shane Ginnane
>Who cares? >Are you suggesting that we should do things the way microsoft does? Free upgrade from currently supported versions of the operating system to the next major release - which will continue into perpetuity. Home version available, with no (monthly) fees. Sounds a pretty good model to m

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 11 May 2015 16:42:13 -0600, Mark Post wrote: On 5/11/2015 at 05:31 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> Except it would be >> great if z/OS could employ the optical drive in the HMC, as I've >> been told z/Linux and z/VM do. > >z/VM for some time now. Linux Real Soon Now. In both cases, pe

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 5/11/2015 at 05:31 PM, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Except it would be > great if z/OS could employ the optical drive in the HMC, as I've > been told z/Linux and z/VM do. z/VM for some time now. Linux Real Soon Now. In both cases, performance i

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2015-05-11 09:43, R.S. wrote: > Regarding software products, can I live without tape? Yes, definitely. Would > I like it? No. > > I use tape as an installation medium only for ServerPacs (z/OS and DB2, and > CICS, and NCP in the past). > Other stuff like IBM CBPDO or ISV products come to me v

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 11 May 2015 12:15:24 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: >On Mon, 11 May 2015 10:54:58 -0500, Tony's Outlook via Mozilla wrote: > >>How does Microsoft do this? > >Who cares? >Are you suggesting that we should do things the way microsoft does? > Be open minded. -- gil

Re: Catalog segregation for a new DB2 subsystem

2015-05-11 Thread Paul Peplinski
There is no requirement to do so, but if you might implement flash copy each subsystem needs two dedicated ICF catalogs, one for BSDS and LOGs and one for DB2 system and user data. Paul -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / arc

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread John Gilmore
Tony's point is of course a valid one. His argument can also be turned around. Just as the destination may determine the medium so too the medium may determine the destination. In my own experience many shops continue to do what they have done in the past all but unthinkingly, even when it is dy

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread David Purdy
Our decision for download is cost-driven: we have to pay state sales tax if media is used. David -Original Message- From: Tony Harminc To: IBM-MAIN Sent: Mon, May 11, 2015 02:51 PM Subject: Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape? On 11 May 2015 at 10:36, John Eells

Re: IEFBR14 question

2015-05-11 Thread Scott Ford
Elardus, Very funny On Monday, May 11, 2015, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: > John Gilmore wrote: > > >I cannot detect any "feature creep". IEFBR14 sets a return code of zero > and branches on the contents of R14. The rest is of no great interest. > > Thomas Berg is writing 'tongue in cheek'

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread Tony Harminc
On 11 May 2015 at 10:36, John Eells wrote: > - Why you choose tape for software delivery > - Whether you can use one of the alternatives, DVD or Internet, and if not, > why. I'm not involved in ordering or receiving IBM software these days, but one thing I see as an ISV is that there is a split

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread Tony's Outlook via Mozilla
Seems easier. On 5/11/2015 12:15 PM, Tom Marchant wrote: On Mon, 11 May 2015 10:54:58 -0500, Tony's Outlook via Mozilla wrote: How does Microsoft do this? Who cares? Are you suggesting that we should do things the way microsoft does? -

Re: IEFBR14 question

2015-05-11 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
John Gilmore wrote: >I cannot detect any "feature creep". IEFBR14 sets a return code of zero and >branches on the contents of R14. The rest is of no great interest. Thomas Berg is writing 'tongue in cheek' that people simply don't understand the environment in which IEFBR14 runs. I agree 101%

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 11 May 2015 10:54:58 -0500, Tony's Outlook via Mozilla wrote: >How does Microsoft do this? Who cares? Are you suggesting that we should do things the way microsoft does? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / sign

Re: Primary allocation of a dataset

2015-05-11 Thread willie bunter
I tried the example (JOB4) however it worked to a certain extent. All the dsns were moved to a volume othere than what was specified and to a storage pool which is not the same. The dsns are SMS managed. Could this be the reason? Below is the job I ran: //STEP1EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread Matthew Stitt
I concur with David. The option to send physical media (CD, DVD, etc) in addition to FTP of z/OS software would be beneficial. I'm sure most of the customers would appreciate having that option. Downloading these images can (is?) a real issue in many companies as they must find a place to sto

Re: IEFBR14 question

2015-05-11 Thread John Gilmore
I cannot detect any "feature creep". IEFBR14 sets a return code of zero and branches on the contents of R14. The rest is of no great interest. On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Thomas Berg wrote: > This long thread show the danger with feature creep. IEFBR14 of nowadays > is too complicated t

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread Tony's Outlook via Mozilla
How does Microsoft do this? On 5/11/2015 10:50 AM, Jousma, David wrote: "It is much easier to get in the box. Note, the same advantage exists for non-tape physical medium (DVD). Note, the bigger problem exists for non-z/OS code add-ons like documentation or ISO images (CD, DVD)." For my ins

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread Jousma, David
"It is much easier to get in the box. Note, the same advantage exists for non-tape physical medium (DVD). Note, the bigger problem exists for non-z/OS code add-ons like documentation or ISO images (CD, DVD)." For my installation this is the biggest factor that I still order real medium *after*

Re: z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread R.S.
Regarding software products, can I live without tape? Yes, definitely. Would I like it? No. I use tape as an installation medium only for ServerPacs (z/OS and DB2, and CICS, and NCP in the past). Other stuff like IBM CBPDO or ISV products come to me via Internet or via DVD (for ISV's which do

Re: IEFBR14 question

2015-05-11 Thread Thomas Berg
This long thread show the danger with feature creep. IEFBR14 of nowadays is too complicated to use. Best Regards, Thomas Berg ___ Thomas Berg Specialist zOS/RQM/IT Delivery Swedbank AB (Publ) Interactive is 'manual.' Bat

Re: ENQ for the life of the job

2015-05-11 Thread Thomas Berg
One method for this sort of problems could be to in the current/existing job begin with submitting a NEW job that does the DEQ. And serialize the new job so it executes AFTER any of these problem jobs. The new job could - if needed - do its own "result polling" for the old jobs. Best Regar

z/OS Platform Software Products on ... Tape?

2015-05-11 Thread John Eells
We see a low and decreasing percentage of our software orders on tape. If you are still using tape for z/OS platform software delivery (that is, any product that runs on z/OS, not just z/OS itself), I'd like to hear from you to understand: - Why you choose tape for software delivery - Whether

Re: ICSF and EMV

2015-05-11 Thread Todd Arnold
IBM is aware of the difficulty figuring out what combination of CCA verbs to use for each EMV function, and we are working on things to make this easier. However, all of the necessary functions are definitely there in CCA - we have many customers who process EMV transactions and perform EMV key

Re: Performance question - handling of max CPU % utilization

2015-05-11 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Martin Packer wrote: >Agree with the stacked graph of LPARs. But one plea: Do it by processor pool >for (at least) GCPs and zIIPs. (IFLs might be meaningful, ICFs less likely, >zAAPs possibly.) Agreed! That I already does. Anyways, according to my local IBMer, the zIIP CPU is shared by the DB2

Re: Performance question - handling of max CPU % utilization

2015-05-11 Thread Martin Packer
Agree with the stacked graph of LPARs. But one plea: Do it by processor pool for (at least) GCPs and zIIPs. (IFLs might be meaningful, ICFs less likely, zAAPs possibly.) Which takes us away from one number. :-) Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide

Re: Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key.

2015-05-11 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
For your information: APAR OA47818 has been created. Kees. From: Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM Sent: 30 April, 2015 13:53 To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key. For your information: I discovered an error in ISMF when using the EOF key. I want to ALTER the a