Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
I love Google. I use it all the time, both professionally and personally. But I'm a realist. I know Google is not in this game out of altruism. To answer your question more or less, it is sad to say I use about four methods of finding z documentation -- not because I like variety, but because ea

Re: WLM?

2018-05-03 Thread Gerhard Adam
Bear in mind that regardless of the goals (in other words you don't know that a velocity of 40% won't give you a response time of .5 seconds). The essential metric is the importance level. In period 3, you are essentially saying that when your system gets busy, Infoprint simply isn't that impor

Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 4/05/2018 4:36 AM, Charles Mills wrote: I saw the most wonderful quote the other day, regarding free services (like Google, but not to pick on them in particular). "If you're not paying for it, then you're not the customer. And if you're not the customer, you're the merchandise." Most peopl

Re: RACF on a Sysplex??

2018-05-03 Thread Mark Zelden
My client has a mixture of things, but nothing is ever shared with a sandbox LPAR - not even via RRSF "one way". It really doesn't seem dangerous to do it one way, but I still prefer to isolate things in a sandbox as completely as possible. One business unit with 2 large sysplexes has separa

Re: DFSMSdss Release command

2018-05-03 Thread Edward Gould
> On May 2, 2018, at 3:50 AM, Gadi Ben-Avi wrote: > > Hi Ed, > The DSORG is PS for these datasets. > > Gadi > Are they in use? Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@lis

Re: RACF on a Sysplex??

2018-05-03 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
fred glenlake wrote: >We are going from one production lpar and one test lpar to two sysplexs, one >plex for production, one plex for test. Currently the RACF databases are >shared (yeah not ideal) but they will be split (prod and test on their own >databases) once we are sysplexed. >In prepa

Re: WLM?

2018-05-03 Thread David Betten
I would suggest looking at an RMF workload activity report to see what the workload is doing now rather than arbitrarily changing period durations and goals. The workload activity report can tell you the average response time and transactions rates, along with the service units and velocity as it'

Re: WLM?

2018-05-03 Thread Adams, Anne (DTI)
Omg ... my bad. I get it now. I'll just go over and stand by the truck. Thanks. Anne R. Adams, CISSP DTI, Systems Engineering Lead Mainframe Services Analyst 302.739.9500 We support the mainframe, it just works. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ja

Re: Dynamic LNKLST SET limitations?

2018-05-03 Thread Steve Horein
Thanks for the replies! Yes, I used the set name "LNKLSTxx" arbitrarily for demonstration purposes. The current PROGxx defines several sets, with the final set activated at IPL time having a name similar to &SYSNAME.LNK. What I am trying to avoid, in addition to "requiring" an IPL for the sake of

Re: WLM?

2018-05-03 Thread Jackson, Rob
On our tiny mainframe 800 SUs is still only .03 CPU seconds, which is not insignificant, but is really not that much CPU time. 800 SUs is just not that much CPU. First Tennessee Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Adams

Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
I saw the most wonderful quote the other day, regarding free services (like Google, but not to pick on them in particular). "If you're not paying for it, then you're not the customer. And if you're not the customer, you're the merchandise." Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainf

Re: WLM?

2018-05-03 Thread Adams, Anne (DTI)
I understand the words in your response but I still don't understand. How is it possible that it takes over 800 SUs to respond to and Infoprint daemon? What am I missing here? Anne R. Adams, CISSP DTI, Systems Engineering Lead Mainframe Services Analyst 302.739.9500 We support the mainframe, i

JCL / COBOL instructor needed in the Dallas / Fort Worth area

2018-05-03 Thread Marty Wertheim
Collin College (Plano TX) will conduct a “boot camp” this summer to prepare a group of military veterans to enter the work force as entry level COBOL programmers. Topics will include z/OS basics, TSO/ISPF, JCL, and COBOL programming. We are looking for one or more persons with expertise in som

Re: WLM?

2018-05-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 3 May 2018 17:23:52 +, Adams, Anne (DTI) wrote: >Our Inforprint processes suffer when the system gets slow and therefore >print slows. The Infoprint manual suggests changing the WLM Service Class >for these processes thusly: > >* Service Class OMVSDMN - OMVS Print Daemons

Re: WLM?

2018-05-03 Thread Gerhard Adam
BTW, the reason your Infoprint work suffers is most likely due to it having an Importance level of 5. If you make that higher, then it should ensure that Infoprint gets serviced by WLM to ensure its goals are being met [regardless of the velocity or response time settings]. Adam -Original Me

Re: WLM?

2018-05-03 Thread Gerhard Adam
The first two periods are ALWAYS used, but the duration limits how long the work stays there before it transitions into the next period. So, if most of our work is in period 3, it's because it has exceeded the 800 SU's that have been designated in the previous periods. Adam -Original Message

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IEFA107I when pointing to dataset alias

2018-05-03 Thread John McKown
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 1:06 PM, Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Thu, 3 May 2018 15:22:22 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > >That was my point; if you need it at IPL time and it's cataloged in a > user catalog, you need an explicit volume serial. > > > I'

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IEFA107I when pointing to dataset alias

2018-05-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 3 May 2018 15:22:22 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >That was my point; if you need it at IPL time and it's cataloged in a user >catalog, you need an explicit volume serial. > I'm (slowly) coming to grasp that. At IPL time, the CAS is not initialized and user catalogs can not be searched.

Re: AC(1)

2018-05-03 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 5/3/2018 4:47 AM, Peter Relson wrote: ... IPLINFO itself must have been changed when dynamic APF was introduced but chose not to use the provided programming interface (CSVAPF REQUEST=LIST) to gain access to the data. Umm... IPLINFO is a REXX exec. As such, it cannot invoke z/OS system serv

Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
Remember that to google you are not the customer, you are the product. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 5:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@

WLM?

2018-05-03 Thread Adams, Anne (DTI)
Question for any WLM/performance geniuses, Our Inforprint processes suffer when the system gets slow and therefore print slows. The Infoprint manual suggests changing the WLM Service Class for these processes thusly: * Service Class OMVSDMN - OMVS Print Daemons

Fw: RACF on a Sysplex??

2018-05-03 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
We have separate DB's for each Sysplex BUT keep them in sync using RRSAF so password changes and profile updates flow from the initial system to all the others. In the case of the Sandbox Sysplex we allow updates IN but not OUT - allowing us to test RACF changes in the Sandbox Sysplex and not

Re: RACF on a Sysplex??

2018-05-03 Thread Allan Staller
I would do the split post sysplex. Make a copy of production to be used by the test sysplex. Get to the two sysplex mode. Then do the cleanup. Remember, you scope of sharing is SYSPLEX. Do not cross sysplex boundaries. You will (most likely) be very sorry if you do. -Original Message- F

Re: RACF on a Sysplex??

2018-05-03 Thread Lizette Koehler
If you have not joined, there is a RACF List that you might like to also ask this question. To join, if you have not done so, go to this URL RACFhttp://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/racf-l.html Lizette > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > fred

Re: Installation Exit routine environment (TCB vs. SRB)

2018-05-03 Thread Tony Harminc
On 2 May 2018 at 19:43, Charles Mills wrote: > When did SRBs come along? When dinosaurs roamed the earth? Yes, roughly. From the very beginnings of MVS, aka "OS/VS2 Release 2", which IIRC went GA in 1972. Tony H. -- For IBM-MA

RACF on a Sysplex??

2018-05-03 Thread fred glenlake
Hello, We are going from one production lpar and one test lpar to two sysplexs, one plex for production, one plex for test. Currently the RACF databases are shared (yeah not ideal) but they will be split (prod and test on their own databases) once we are sysplexed. In preparation for the spl

Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Allan Staller
D'accord -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 10:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rant But still true; plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. -- Shmuel (Seymour

Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
But still true; plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Allan Staller Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 8:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject:

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: HLQ change of SMP/E files

2018-05-03 Thread CM Poncelet
Hi Vignesh,   Yes, all the existing datasets can be copied - i.e. 'cloned' - to new datasets with new names. Both the DZONE and TZONE of the new CSI then need to be renamed and pointed at each other, and all the new CSI's DDDEFs need to be pointed at their new dataset names. It is all done via UCL.

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IEFA107I when pointing to dataset alias

2018-05-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
That was my point; if you need it at IPL time and it's cataloged in a user catalog, you need an explicit volume serial. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Marchant <000a2a8c

Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Bill Johnson
IBM still does not do the internet well. Never has. Even Shopz and service request is a PITA. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, May 3, 2018, 3:58 PM, Allan Staller wrote: Several influential IBMers are regular posters here. I would hope that are using back channels to get this a

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
Is there a paid search engine where I get extremely context accurate search results? 😊 I should just get DocBuddy and read reams of documentation on a mobile phone! – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]

Re: Dynamic LNKLST SET limitations?

2018-05-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 3 May 2018 06:41:14 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: >I think you can only have on Linklst activate at one time. Yes, but you can have address spaces still using an inactive LNKLST. AFAIK this does not cause any problems. New jobs will always use the active LNKLST. -- Tom Marchant -

Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 3 May 2018 09:32:51 +, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote: >Whenever I search for anything mainframe-related on Google, ... > You get what you pay for? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instruc

Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Allan Staller
Several influential IBMers are regular posters here. I would hope that are using back channels to get this addressed. If mainframers operated this way, we would be escorted off the premises (probably under armed escort!). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:I

Re: Dynamic LNKLST SET limitations?

2018-05-03 Thread John McKown
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Steve Horein wrote: > Is there a practical limit to the number of dynamic LNKLST sets created? > > I find myself in a position to deploy two products upgrades, both requiring > new data sets in LNKLST (either new names, or under-sizing issues). To > accommodate imp

Re: Dynamic LNKLST SET limitations?

2018-05-03 Thread Lizette Koehler
Oops - I said CSVLLA - I meant the LINKLIST dynamic activation - sorry Lizette > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Lizette Koehler > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 6:41 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Dynamic LNKLST SET limitations? >

Re: Dynamic LNKLST SET limitations?

2018-05-03 Thread Lizette Koehler
I think you can only have on Linklst activate at one time. And only good until the next IPL - where if not updated in the IPL member(s) will get lost. So how you name them in your Parmlib dataset is up to you. Remember 00-99,0a-zz,and you can include @ $ # - are available. So how you set the

Re: Dynamic LNKLST SET limitations?

2018-05-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 3 May 2018 08:23:45 -0500, Steve Horein wrote: >Is there a practical limit to the number of dynamic LNKLST sets created? I don't know I would guess that there is some common storage required for each LNKLST set. >I would like to come up >with a naming convention for the LNKLST sets

Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 3 May 2018 12:40:18 +, Allan Staller wrote: >I will probably keep posting this until the PFCSK's creating these tools get >their act together! It isn't that I disagree with you. I agree with what you wrote. I understand and share your frustration. You are preaching to the choir here.

Re: Self Signed Certificate - Import Root Chain

2018-05-03 Thread Lizette Koehler
If you have not done so, the RACF List may also be able to offer suggestions/advice To join, go to this URL RACFhttp://www.listserv.uga.edu/archives/racf-l.html Lizette > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Gilson Cesar de Oliveira > Sent: Thur

Dynamic LNKLST SET limitations?

2018-05-03 Thread Steve Horein
Is there a practical limit to the number of dynamic LNKLST sets created? I find myself in a position to deploy two products upgrades, both requiring new data sets in LNKLST (either new names, or under-sizing issues). To accommodate implementation and back out processes, I would like to come up wit

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread John McKown
Me: Give me Book Manager, or give me Death! IBM: Drop dead. The KC manuals are so variant that they remind me of my mom saying "A place for everything, and everything in it's place!" The problem was the "place" that things "belonged" changed every week. So there is the z/OS 2.1 variant of KC, the

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
Hahaaa Refrain FAIL. - Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: 03 May 2018 13:33 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Rant Refrain: the "new tools" are not

Re: AC(1)

2018-05-03 Thread John McKown
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 6:47 AM, Peter Relson wrote: > Whether a dataset is SMS-managed or not has no relevance to the > information displayed by the program, but has relevance to whether or not > there is a "match". That match is done as part of "Open" processing, for > example. > > An APF list e

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: HLQ change of SMP/E files

2018-05-03 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
On 5/2/2018 1:26 PM, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote: Thanks for this; the product is in its own target and dlip zones, product has its own CSI. So the ZONEINDEX is for consideration only when TGT and DLIB have their own zones, or even if they're all in a single product CSI? Each target and dli

Re: Self Signed Certificate - Import Root Chain

2018-05-03 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Gilson Cesar de Oliveira wrote: > I'd like to hear from this group, which way we have to follow in order to > add in RACF the root chain from external partners that have encrypted > connections but using self signed certificate. I forgot to ask, how did you or external partners created that Se

Re: Self Signed Certificate - Import Root Chain

2018-05-03 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Gilson Cesar de Oliveira wrote: > I'd like to hear from this group, which way we have to follow in order to > add in RACF the root chain from external partners that have encrypted > connections but using self signed certificate. You should also post your question on RACF-L. You certainly will

Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Allan Staller
I will probably keep posting this until the PFCSK's creating these tools get their act together! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 7:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: R

Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 3 May 2018 12:33:03 +, Allan Staller wrote yet again: >Refrain: the "new tools" are not as reliable, available or functional as the >"old tools" being replaced/upgraded. Yeah, Allan. We know. How many times have you posted this to the list? What purpose do you think it serves? It is

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IEFA107I when pointing to dataset alias

2018-05-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 2 May 2018 16:14:28 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >>True, but the APF list entries include the volume serial on which the data >> set resides, or they specify "SMS". In either case, the catalog entries are >> not needed at IPL time, so APF listed data sets can be cataloged in a >> user c

Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Allan Staller
Refrain: the "new tools" are not as reliable, available or functional as the "old tools" being replaced/upgraded. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 4:33 AM To: IBM-MA

Re: PDSE MAXGENS API

2018-05-03 Thread Michael Babcock
Sorry, misunderstood what you were asking. Ignore my response. On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 7:17 AM Michael Babcock wrote: > Doesn’t the catalog search interface return this value? GDGLIMTE? > > On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:26 AM Nick Jones < > 01ae4c0671ae-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >

Re: PDSE MAXGENS API

2018-05-03 Thread Michael Babcock
Doesn’t the catalog search interface return this value? GDGLIMTE? On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:26 AM Nick Jones < 01ae4c0671ae-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Many thanks, Cieri. > > However, this method obtains the system wide maximum as defined by > MAXGENS_LIMIT in parmlib member IGD

Re: AC(1)

2018-05-03 Thread Peter Relson
Whether a dataset is SMS-managed or not has no relevance to the information displayed by the program, but has relevance to whether or not there is a "match". That match is done as part of "Open" processing, for example. An APF list entry created by a specification such as DSN(MY.DSN) SMS will

Self Signed Certificate - Import Root Chain

2018-05-03 Thread Gilson Cesar de Oliveira
Dear list: I'd like to hear from this group, which way we have to follow in order to add in RACF the root chain from external partners that have encrypted connections but using self signed certificate. I will describe the three ways we have imported the root chain: 1- Add the certificate

Re: Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote: >Whenever I search for anything mainframe-related on Google, the pages are >almost always to v2r1 KC links. >Although there's not too much difference in documentation between one release >and another, just the non-IBM Plex font in v2r1 makes me manually change th

Rant

2018-05-03 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
Whenever I search for anything mainframe-related on Google, the pages are almost always to v2r1 KC links. Although there's not too much difference in documentation between one release and another, just the non-IBM Plex font in v2r1 makes me manually change the URL each time. Sometimes, this does

Re: PDSE MAXGENS API

2018-05-03 Thread Nick Jones
Many thanks, Cieri. However, this method obtains the system wide maximum as defined by MAXGENS_LIMIT in parmlib member IGDSMSxx, not the MAXGENS value defined to an individual PDSE V2 library. Nick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Australia's Commonwealth Bank says records of nearly 20 mln accounts lost

2018-05-03 Thread Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD.
Article's title is slightly misleading. Two tape reels (archive/backup, I assume) with 20 million records went missing 2 years ago. The bank waited until now to fess up. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instr