Re: Diagram of MVS Control Blocks

2021-04-25 Thread g...@gabegold.com
I'll bet 99% of people -- even those who ran OS/360 -- didn't t know what Roll out / Roll in did. I found it included in Mitre OS/360 SYSGEN when I joined company in 1971, laughed, exercised it, removed it -- saving xxKB from resident nucleus, back when bytes were precious. It enabled JCL

Re: Diagram of MVS Control Blocks

2021-04-25 Thread patrickfalcone7
Actually I believe we had a couple turn themselves loose inside the unit. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Seymour J Metz Date: 4/25/21 5:13 PM (GMT-05:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Diagram of MVS Control Blocks Did you

Re: Diagram of MVS Control Blocks

2021-04-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
Did you have returning cartridges dropped onhe floor? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of patrickfalcone7 [012526080649-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]

Re: Printing GTF trace?

2021-04-25 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Widening the perspective. Versatile IPCS is used to analyze all sorts of dumps--SVC, standalone, SYSM--as well as GTF trace, which can be for hardware or software or both. So why is it so little used outside of the 'system programming' inner sanctum? At my one and only GUIDE conference in 1980,

Re: Diagram of MVS Control Blocks

2021-04-25 Thread patrickfalcone7
Hope you are well Shmuel. We had one at NVIP. I believe my first performance problem was related to slowness early on after the online came up. One of the files ended up on MSS and the first time through was delayed by waiting for back end staging to the 3350s, I believe we had 2 staging

Re: SMPe receive e37-04 on SMPPTS1

2021-04-25 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
W dniu 25.04.2021 o 16:44, Paul Gilmartin pisze: On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 03:08:44 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: Before APPLY - take care about SMPPTS1 DDDEFs in other zones. Is it useful, or even safe, to define SMPPTS* in other than GLOBAL zone? It is necessary. Does SMP/E warn or prohibit

Re: Diagram of MVS Control Blocks

2021-04-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
IBM uses both the term Mass Storage Facility and the term Mass Storage System. From IBM 3850 Mass Storage System (MSS) Principles of Operation, GA32-0029-0 : "The IBM 3850 Mass Storage System is made up of three physical components: 1. The IBM 3851 Mass Storage Facility 2. The Staging

Re: SMPe receive e37-04 on SMPPTS1

2021-04-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 03:08:44 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >> >>> Before APPLY - take care about SMPPTS1 DDDEFs in other zones. >>> >> Is it useful, or even safe, to define SMPPTS* in other than GLOBAL zone? > >It is necessary. > >> Does SMP/E warn or prohibit inconsistent SMPPTS* definitions

Re: Diagram of MVS Control Blocks

2021-04-25 Thread David Spiegel
*MSS On 2021-04-25 08:55, Seymour J Metz wrote: 3850 MSF (3851, 3830 and connected 3330-1, 3330-11 or 3350 staging drives)? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: Diagram of MVS Control Blocks

2021-04-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
That's a legitimate diagram, not the old OS.360 joke diagram. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Lizette Koehler [stars...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday,

Re: Diagram of MVS Control Blocks

2021-04-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
Those are legitimate diagrams. The OP was looking for the OS/360 joke diagram. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Lizette Koehler

Re: Diagram of MVS Control Blocks

2021-04-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
3850 MSF (3851, 3830 and connected 3330-1, 3330-11 or 3350 staging drives)? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Tom Brennan [t...@tombrennansoftware.com]

Re: Diagram of MVS Control Blocks

2021-04-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
That's actually for OS/360. The equivalent for z/OS would be much larger. Despite being half a century old, it's still funny. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on

Re: Diagram of MVS Control Blocks

2021-04-25 Thread Rupert Reynolds
Thanks. That last image is a Doozy :-) Roops. On Fri., Apr. 23, 2021, 23:12 Steve Horein, wrote: > The one on page 12 is what I have thumbtacked to my wall at work: > > http://zseries.marist.edu/pdfs/ztidbitz/31%20zNibbler%20%28zOS%20Control%20Blocks%29.pdf > > >

Re: Diagram of MVS Control Blocks

2021-04-25 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
I wanted to give it to our new sysprogs. They are younger people, recently promoted from operations. I thought they would get a chuckle out of it too. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Michael A. Shaw Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 4:21 PM To: