LOL
On 8/22/2021 6:43 PM, Steve Horein wrote:
That's fine and all, but what does this have to do with the 2020 election,
Democrats, and Republicans?
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 8:39 PM Steve Thompson wrote:
My 2 cents.
Because of NDAs, I can't ID the programs, but there are some huge
programs t
Actually it was Obama who released all the Taliban, in the trade for the
traitor Bergdahl.
Get your facts straight.
https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/taliban-leader-was-freed-from-guantanamo-in-2014-swap-by-obama/
Joe
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 8:30 PM Bill Johnson <
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Stop the politics..get enough of it on news BS
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Typical Liberal.trying your best to spin it into Trumps fault...all Trump
tried to do is get the Afgan folks and the Taliban folks to work out a deal so
we could leave and they could live together...but they couldn't agree...so we
were still there.
I don't remember under Trump cargo planes
That's fine and all, but what does this have to do with the 2020 election,
Democrats, and Republicans?
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 8:39 PM Steve Thompson wrote:
> My 2 cents.
>
> Because of NDAs, I can't ID the programs, but there are some huge
> programs that are written in REXX, used in the z/OS w
My 2 cents.
Because of NDAs, I can't ID the programs, but there are some huge
programs that are written in REXX, used in the z/OS world that
are maintained via SMP/E.
I know that one of them is doing VSAM, and one is doing
encryption/decryption and handling of Certificates and gets
called t
Trump started the process of leaving Afghanistan. Even released 5000 Taliban
including their current leader. We aren't leaving Americans behind. Biden will
be president for another 3 1/2 years, unless he falls ill and Kamala takes
over. And knowing that probably really gets you going pleases me
A cousin of mine lived in Atlanta. Correct.
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 07:51:35 PM EDT, Joe Monk
wrote:
Fulton County is 100% Democrat, just like Maricopa County.
Joe
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 6:48 PM Bill Johnson <
0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> We know Ari
Tom believes the election was stolen. Without even 1 incidence of actual
proof/facts. My old commie school is run by a trumper currently. Of course not
always. For most of its history it was run by normal people who believed in
facts and science.
On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 08:09:34 PM EDT
Charles This kind of logic is done with SRB all the time BTW I just tried
CSVQUERY and it returned X'4000' as well Wonder how ISPF determines the size
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Don't feed the trolls.
Charles
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Dead
I would say
1. You can do more in COBOL than assembler in few lines, but is a 100-line
COBOL program necessarily more complex than a 100-line assembler program?
2. You probably do have to say that lines of code maps to complexity, but only
if you keep the language constant. What is the shortest
Tell me whats wrong.typical dumbass liberal that doesn't have ANY
facts...just that its wrongwhere the fuck is it wrong.
School is where YOU went off the rails...nothing but teaching Communism
bullshit.
Thanks,
Tom
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And where was the fraud ?? of course, Fulton County.
The swamp is deep.
I don't care who wins anything (well actually I do), but I just want it to be
fair.
And just because Arizona and Georgia are GOP (the Governors)...not all Counties
are...Fulton for sure isn't.
Guys, think about this...they
Dead wrong. Typical trumpette.
Back to school.
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 7:27 PM Savor, Thomas <
0330b7631be3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> "In April 2020, a voter fraud study covering 20 years by the Massachusetts
> Institute of Technology found the level of mail-in ballot fraud
> "exc
Not what you asked, but can one MVCL a load module from one address to
another and rely on its executing correctly? What about relocatable address
constants? (Less necessary today than once upon a time due to LARL, but
still lots of them around.) Of course in some case one might know that the
load
Your guy is in-defensible...great job in Afghanistan...superb !!!
Not only did we leave a bunch of US citizens there, but left NATO troops
there...so Ooooh another Dumbass !!!
Biden makes Carter look good...I thought Obozo was bad...Biden is probably
going to be removed soon...or at least startin
Fulton County is 100% Democrat, just like Maricopa County.
Joe
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 6:48 PM Bill Johnson <
0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> We know Arizona was fraud, Georgia was fraud. States run by Republicans.
>
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> On Sunday, A
We know Arizona was fraud, Georgia was fraud. States run by Republicans.
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On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 7:27 PM, Savor, Thomas
<0330b7631be3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
"In April 2020, a voter fraud study covering 20 years by the Massachusetts
Insti
Ooooh, another trumper.
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On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 7:42 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
*I knew I’d trigger the trumpers here.*
Trolls have that effect.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:38 AM Bill Johnson <
0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> I kn
*I knew I’d trigger the trumpers here.*
Trolls have that effect.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:38 AM Bill Johnson <
0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> I knew I’d trigger the trumpers here.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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> On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 7:27 PM, Savor, T
The doc says extinfo would match that returned from CSVQUERY
Ok thanks I’ll give it a shot
> On Aug 22, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Attila Fogarasi wrote:
>
> Program objects with NOPACK option return the length as a page multiple --
> matching your result. You have to use CSVQUERY to get the actual
I knew I’d trigger the trumpers here.
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On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 7:27 PM, Savor, Thomas
<0330b7631be3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
"In April 2020, a voter fraud study covering 20 years by the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology found the level
Number of lines of code is a meaningless measure.
In PL/1 :
MASSIVE_STRUCTURE = '' ; /* 2,000 FIELDS DECIMAL, BINARY, CHAR, FLOAT */
ASSEMBLER:
Quite a few MVC instructions and lots of initial DCs
COBOL :
MOVE ZERO TO OUT-BLAH
MOVE SPACES TO OUT-BLAH_CHAR1
ad nauseum...
On Mon, Aug 23, 20
Program objects with NOPACK option return the length as a page multiple --
matching your result. You have to use CSVQUERY to get the actual length
after the LOAD.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:06 AM Joseph Reichman
wrote:
> Hi
>
>
>
> I have a number of programs I am trying to move to CSA towards t
"In April 2020, a voter fraud study covering 20 years by the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology found the level of mail-in ballot fraud "exceedingly
rare" since it occurs only in "0.6 percent" of instances nationally, and,
in one state, "0.04 percent - about five times less likely tha
Hi
I have a number of programs I am trying to move to CSA towards this end I
need to know the starting address and length of the load module
Here is the code I use to obtain the length as register 1 low order 3 bytes
has the length in double words
SLL R1,8 Get Rid of auth code
SLL
The number of lines of code is absolutely a good way to determine complexity.
To say otherwise is silly. Is it a 100% correlation, of course not. Reminds me
of people who say that elections are fraudulent and point to the handful of
voter fraud incidents when the reality is, voter fraud is in ef
On Sun, 22 Aug 2021, at 19:49, Bill Johnson wrote:
> You claim to know of a 1 line APL super complex program but when
> asked to prove it can’t.
What I actually said was:
"A good case in point is that in APL a useful program can be written
in one line."
I /did not/ say that I knew of a (spe
Any programming language can be complex. The problems I’ve had to solve in my
40 year career were far more complex as a programmer than as a SP, DBA, DASD
Admin, Security Admin.
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On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 4:40 PM, David Spiegel
wrote:
Hi Bill,
I understood
Hi Bill,
I understood that you were defending IBM patents and thank you for the
compliment.
Why, though, do you think that COBOL programs with Database calls can be
complex, when the languages I mentioned are more "dense" (i.e. logic per
keystroke) with or without the Database calls?
(PL/I an
I have coded PL/I but thanks.
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On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 4:17 PM, Bill Johnson
<0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
Dude, you can’t even figure out I’m on YOUR side. When I posted a few months
back regarding IBM patents, a whole bunch of li
+1
On 2021-08-22 15:05, Eric D Rossman wrote:
Bill, no need to get defensive. I have written z/OS and Linux (multiple
platform) internals and also user-facing code. Guess which one is harder?
Rhetorical question. Both are really hard to do well.
z/OS internals are notoriously under-commented a
Dude, you can’t even figure out I’m on YOUR side. When I posted a few months
back regarding IBM patents, a whole bunch of listers bashed me and claimed most
of IBMs patents were worthless. I’m impressed that you have patented code.
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On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 4:
Hi Bill,
Are you just a troll, or, are you really that impolite/ignorant?
My Rexx patented program was reviewed by the US Patent office and I was
required to defend it against 5 others.
It took 9 calendar months from the start of application until granting
of patent.
There are reasons why IBM l
Been there, done that.
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On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 3:05 PM, Eric D Rossman wrote:
Bill, no need to get defensive. I have written z/OS and Linux (multiple
platform) internals and also user-facing code. Guess which one is harder?
Rhetorical question. Both are r
Again correct.
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On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 3:31 PM, Eric D Rossman wrote:
Anyone who is writing something brand new and NOT referring to other
working models (similar code chunks) is wasting their time. No one can
keep everything in mind at once, especially o
Exactly right.
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On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 4:04 PM, Gerhard Adam wrote:
It simply seems that most of the comments demonstrate that most posters have no
idea what they are doing.
(1) Programs are not complex, problems are. If the program is complex and the
Bob wrote “ A few of us (including me) posted "I once wrote a 30-line program
that worked right the first time", and what you heard is "am I not amazing,
wonderful, brilliant? Do you not all admire me?" Is that what happened?”
I hear the second part every day on the IBMlist.
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It simply seems that most of the comments demonstrate that most posters have no
idea what they are doing.
(1) Programs are not complex, problems are. If the program is complex and the
problem is not, then you don't know what you are doing.
(2) Programming is not intended to show how smart or
Worked right means what? Syntactically? Or performed exactly as you expected on
input you controlled or knew what was in it? I’ve spent 40 years in ALL aspects
of IT. I was an Ops manager once and used to get resumes from people who
claimed to be Mainframe Computer Operators. Most didn’t know wh
Bill, I don't understand what could have pushed your buttons. For instance:
BJ> Comparing a 40 line REXX/CLIST “program” to a 10,000 line IMS/COBOL program
that scans a parts database is an absolute joke.
But the only one making that comparison is you. (Maybe that's why you were the
only one
Anyone who is writing something brand new and NOT referring to other
working models (similar code chunks) is wasting their time. No one can
keep everything in mind at once, especially once you start talking about
truly complex beasts.
NB: I'm assuming your question is not necessarily limited to
Bill, no need to get defensive. I have written z/OS and Linux (multiple
platform) internals and also user-facing code. Guess which one is harder?
Rhetorical question. Both are really hard to do well.
z/OS internals are notoriously under-commented and under-understood (I
wanted to make up a word
I like to tell my younger colleagues that I am disappointed when my code
works correctly the first time. No bugs to hunt down? Where’s the fun
in that? 😀
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 14:49 Bill Johnson <
0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> You claim to know of a 1 line APL sup
You claim to know of a 1 line APL super complex program but when asked to prove
it can’t. I get out of bed on the same side every day.
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On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 2:21 PM, Jeremy Nicoll
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2021, at 18:43, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Anyone who w
No bee in my bonnet. Just don’t like braggarts.
What is more complex? The developers who wrote zOS or the installation? The
programs I wrote over my programming days were much more complex than anything
I’ve written in my SP days. And I’ve written REXX & CLIST. Not all that hard.
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2021, at 18:43, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Anyone who writes a compiler or assembler is quite complex. And very
> likely thousands of lines of code that took years to develop.
More than just a few thousand, I'd expect, unless it's very-table-driven.
> More in line with the COBOL prog
I could write a million line program that does nothing. Not what my references
were, so a straw man argument.
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On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 6:09 AM, Jeremy Nicoll
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2021, at 02:51, Bill Johnson wrote:
> “Programming” in REXX, CLIST, and sim
Anyone who writes a compiler or assembler is quite complex. And very likely
thousands of lines of code that took years to develop. More in line with the
COBOL programs I was referencing. Not some 40 line REXX program that took a day
or two. In College, I wrote an ATM machine. It took the entire
I seem to remember IBM listers poo pooing patents when I pointed out IBM leads
the world in patents every year. Comparing a 40 line REXX/CLIST “program” to a
10,000 line IMS/COBOL program that scans a parts database is an absolute joke.
Patent or not.
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On Sunda
It's all new tape so it's fine to change
On Sun, 22 Aug, 2021, 8:37 pm Mike Schwab, wrote:
> Recommended block size is 256K or greater, to 8M.
> Changing the block size will loose all existing data on THAT tape,
> printed page number 28.
>
> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19190-01/LTO5_Vol2_E2_not_
Recommended block size is 256K or greater, to 8M.
Changing the block size will loose all existing data on THAT tape,
printed page number 28.
https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19190-01/LTO5_Vol2_E2_not_restricted/LTO5_Vol2_E2_not_restricted.pdf
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 10:51 AM Jake Anderson wrote:
>
> H
Hello
I am just trying to understand if we can modify the block size of LT05
drive. Currently it is having a block size of 80k and Is it possible to
modify to 256k block size ?
Jake
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Interesting! Sounds like if it happened to any of us, it only happened
once. Mine was a program where I copied the basics (CSECT, etc.) and
then wrote about 30 new lines and was blown away when it not only
assembled but ran as planned. It was something ad-hoc probably for a
one-time run, but
Mine was much more trivial. It was back in college. I was getting my degree
in Accounting; I thought programming sounded boring, but I should know
something about it so I signed up for one class. Rather than talk about
theory, our teacher set us to work writing simple programs in PL/C the ver
Once only since 1980.
And this was back about 1985 when we wrote out our programs on paper
sheets and the key-punch group put them on diskette. (Once in the
system, we did have a basic editor to fix things.) It was not a 'small'
program, but also not a 'large' program. It was in Cobol. Of cour
Hi Bill,
"... "Programming” in REXX, CLIST, and similar types of languages is
hardly programming. ..."
Maybe you should tell that to the US Patent Office in Washington, DC.
They can then invalidate my patent retroactively.
Please see:
https://patents.justia.com/patent/8261255
Regards,
David
On Sun, 22 Aug 2021, at 02:51, Bill Johnson wrote:
> “Programming” in REXX, CLIST, and similar types of languages is hardly
> programming. Real programming is hundreds or thousands of lines of
> COBOL, with IMS, DB2, or CICS calls.
So... if someone writes a compiler or assembler, or a whole OS -
On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 14:10:18 -0500 Paul Gilmartin
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
:>On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 10:11:14 -0700, Tom Ross wrote:
>...
:>>LE is both upward and downward compatible as long as the z/OS levels are
:>>in service. There are some restrictions, ...
:>
While that may have been much more important in the days of cards and 24 hour
turnaround, nowadays it is a waste of human time to deck check the program
over and over again when the computer can do it faster and more effectively.
On Sat, 21 Aug 2021 21:30:58 -0400 Bob Bridges wrote:
:>This part
+1
On 2021-08-22 02:52, Seymour J Metz wrote:
What is an application with thousands of lines of REXX code, chopped liver?
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