Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Brian Westerman
I am leaning towards "He who shall not be called after midnight without invoking his considerable wrath", but I don't think it would fit on my card. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Bruce Hewson
Mine is listed as Infra Tech Lead Analyst Regards Bruce -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread CM Poncelet
Systems Programming Consultant or Technical Consultant (now retired) On 11/10/2021 21:28, Herring, Bobby wrote: > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are any > new titles to add to the list below. > > Mainframe Engineer > Operating Systems Architect > Software

Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 00:30:50 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >The nomenclature varies depending on employer and year. If your looking to >hire, describe the position and requirements and call it whatever fits >corporate culture. > For decades I was "Software Engineer". Pursuant to a corporate

Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
Scream and leap? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jerry Whitteridge [jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 5:23 PM To:

Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
The nomenclature varies depending on employer and year. If your looking to hire, describe the position and requirements and call it whatever fits corporate culture. When I started, A systems programmer was a programmer, not a systems administrator. These days a position with that title might

Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Steve Thompson
A Systems Engineer does hardware work. They swap in/out memory. The put in and take out specialty engines (which are on cards these days), and the like. The problem we have today is, COBOL programmers are being called Developers. Far cry from those of us that have been involved in product

Re: DYNALLOC, FREE, and ENQ?

2021-10-11 Thread Attila Fogarasi
z/OS 2.1 added the new DSENQSHR function which allows downgrade of ENQ from exclusive to share. It must be specified on the job, default is not to downgrade (which was the behaviour prior to 2.1). Makes for potential confusion in application behaviour if not used with care. On Tue, Oct 12, 2021

Re: DYNALLOC, FREE, and ENQ?

2021-10-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
AFAIK there is no ENQ downgrade. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 7:25 PM To:

Re: DYNALLOC, FREE, and ENQ?

2021-10-11 Thread Charles Mills
I don't know, but what about if you had //DD1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SOME.DATA.SET //DD2 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SOME.DATA.SET,FREE=CLOSE And CLOSEd DD2? FWIW, I just looked up FREE=CLOSE to make sure I had it right and my at-hand manual (V2R1) says "Use the FREE parameter to specify when the system is to

Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Joe Monk
A systems engineer is basically an integrator. A systems programmer is specialized. Joe On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 4:56 PM Skip Robinson wrote: > OK, getting serious. I've been in this business for four decades. > Performing essentially the same kinds of tasks for various employers at > various

DYNALLOC, FREE, and ENQ?

2021-10-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
Suppose I have in JCL: DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SOME.DATA.SET. In my program, I dynalloc (same) SOME.DATA.SET OLD. I expect the ENQ to be upgraded to EXC. But when I FREE the allocation, can the ENQ revert to SHR? -- gil -- For

Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread David Purdy
The difference is $25/hour more. Professional engineers (mechanical,  civil, etc) have gone to court to preserve the 'engineer' designation. Right or wrong, it is what is. David On Monday, October 11, 2021, 05:56:49 PM EDT, Skip Robinson wrote: OK, getting serious. I've been in this

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Pommier, Rex
I'm wondering if the title change has to do with the idea that we're not "programming" so much anymore as we are installing and maintaining software, doing storage management and other tasks instead. Back when I got my first sysprogs job almost 4 decades ago, here was a lot more coding

Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Skip Robinson
OK, getting serious. I've been in this business for four decades. Performing essentially the same kinds of tasks for various employers at various levels of seniority. I have always represented myself as a 'Systems Programmer'. I'm currently in a 'discussion' with a manager type who wants to hire

Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Don Leahy
The current title at our shop is “IT Build analyst” or “IT Build Specialist”. On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 5:05 PM Skip Robinson wrote: > I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and > imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation > Engineer. >

Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as my job title Jerry Whitteridge jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop Albertsons Companies -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Skip Robinson Sent:

Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Skip Robinson
I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one elegant and imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation Engineer. On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel wrote: > Large Systems Infrastructure Support > Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I

Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Mark Jacobs
At $previousjob my title was Consulting Systems Specialist. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, October 11th, 2021 at 4:28 PM,

Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread zMan
System Janitor^wCustodian On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 4:47 PM David Spiegel wrote: > Large Systems Infrastructure Support > Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in > particular.) > > On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote: > > I asked this question back in 2004. My

Re: System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread David Spiegel
Large Systems Infrastructure Support Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in particular.) On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote: I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are any new titles to add to the list below. Mainframe Engineer

System Programmer Titles

2021-10-11 Thread Herring, Bobby
I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are any new titles to add to the list below. Mainframe Engineer Operating Systems Architect Software Engineer Software Project Specialist Software Specialist System Analyst System Architect System Engineer System Programmer

Re: PAX/TRS zFS

2021-10-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 15:20:24 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: > >Every time I've used Windows as a "waystation", I've never had a problem >with TRS Files. > What are the attributes of your "pax -z" output data set? If RECFM=FB it ought to be comparably robust with BINARY transfers. Did you

Re: PAX/TRS zFS

2021-10-11 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I wonder if you can add a step after the pax step adding  a delay, going along with what I think Gil was eluding to, the forked process had not terminated yet and was still holding an Excusing Enq on the MVS dataset not a clean way to resolve but a good test to see if the forked process is

Re: PAX/TRS zFS

2021-10-11 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Gil, Every time I've used Windows as a "waystation", I've never had a problem with TRS Files. Regards, David On 2021-10-11 15:10, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:51:23 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: "... "An error occurred" is woefully inadequate.  Were other errors logged?

Re: PAX/TRS zFS

2021-10-11 Thread David Spiegel
Yes, dynamically allocated On 2021-10-11 15:10, Carmen Vitullo wrote: is  the DD for MY.PAX dynamically allocated ? I've never wrote to a MVS datasets using pax Carmen On 10/11/2021 1:03 PM, David Spiegel wrote: Hi, I am trying to PAX and TRS a zFS. When I run a Step to PAX followed by a

Re: PAX/TRS zFS

2021-10-11 Thread Carmen Vitullo
is  the DD for MY.PAX dynamically allocated ? I've never wrote to a MVS datasets using pax Carmen On 10/11/2021 1:03 PM, David Spiegel wrote: Hi, I am trying to PAX and TRS a zFS. When I run a Step to PAX followed by a Step to TRS, I get: pax: //'MY.PAX': EDC5061I An error occurred when

Re: PAX/TRS zFS

2021-10-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:51:23 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: > >"... "An error occurred" is woefully inadequate.  Were other errors >logged? ..." No > No comment on my ENQ hypothesis? Thinking further, BPXBATCH probably forks (see BPXBATSL), then shell exec pax forks to a third ASID while the TRS

Re: PAX/TRS zFS

2021-10-11 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Gil, "... "An error occurred" is woefully inadequate.  Were other errors logged? ..." No "... Why bother with TRS?  Doesn't your "pax -z" achieve comparable compression? (Often a second compression expands the file.  Or, pax without the -z, then TRS.) ..."I want a robust backup Dataset

Re: PAX/TRS zFS

2021-10-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:03:11 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: > >I am trying to PAX and TRS a zFS. > >When I run a Step to PAX followed by a Step to TRS, I get: >pax: //'MY.PAX': EDC5061I An error occurred when attempting to define a >file to the system. > "An error occurred" is woefully inadequate.

PAX/TRS zFS

2021-10-11 Thread David Spiegel
Hi, I am trying to PAX and TRS a zFS. When I run a Step to PAX followed by a Step to TRS, I get: pax: //'MY.PAX': EDC5061I An error occurred when attempting to define a file to the system. (I tried TAR and got the same result.) When I run the PAX in one job and the TRS in another job, it

Re: Mainframe ransomware solution

2021-10-11 Thread Bob Bridges
Newfoundland? Ok, now for something ~completely~ off-topic: Back during 09-11, a lot of commercial flights were grounded for some days -- all over the world maybe, in Europe and the US for sure. A lot of transatlantic flights went to earth in Newfoundland, and hundreds or maybe thousand of

Re: Mainframe ransomware solution

2021-10-11 Thread ITschak Mugzach
I thought this is a mainframe mailing list... About ten years ago, during a security consultancy work I performed at a client shop, I noticed that CICS is not properly protected. I told the sysprog and the CIO what changes need to be done, but the sysprog insist that the system is secured. I got

Re: Mainframe ransomware solution

2021-10-11 Thread Phil Smith III
Well, now that this thread has devolved into war stories (often the best part of a day's digest): A friend working helpdesk once hacked an end-user's PROFILE EXEC on CMS so that every OTHER time he logged on, it would do something odd, forget what. User made SEVERAL trips between her* office

Re: Mainframe ransomware solution

2021-10-11 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Bob, This reminds me of a story from the early '90s, when I worked for a multi-national food company. (I actually worked for more than one.) One of the Help Desk guys decided to customize "his own" TPX screen. He made it say "Welcome to Hell". When I got in, I booted DOS (IBM PS/2 Model 70),

Re: Mainframe ransomware solution

2021-10-11 Thread Bob Bridges
Managers have no sense of humour where it doesn't matter. Well, some managers. I still remember fondly my messing with a coworker's PC menu. I don't remember which menu system we were using at the time, but Roberto had found some little gag app that would display a blimp for a few seconds

Re: Passing user/pw in to BPXBATCH SFTP

2021-10-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 02:57:56 -0500, Jantje. wrote: >Co:ZBatch, Co:Z sftp and passwordless authentication (using ssh keys) have >done it very well for me. > Up to a point. I once chatted with our sysprog. We intended to exchange data with another organization. The protocol verifieduser IDs.

Re: Passing user/pw in to BPXBATCH SFTP

2021-10-11 Thread Jantje.
Co:ZBatch, Co:Z sftp and passwordless authentication (using ssh keys) have done it very well for me. Cheers, Jantje. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu