Re: RES: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread David Crayford
On 8/12/21 9:34 pm, Bodra - Pessoal wrote: Just a very simple question: They know word CONTINGENCY and data MIRROR? Of course they do. Cloud computing providers allow you to set availability zones on different data centeres and they replicate. Like most It outages I suspect human error just

Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Mike Schwab
Moshix did an AWS instance for Hercules VM/370 MVS 3.8J. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuXi1DLq1Sw On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 2:43 AM Mark Regan wrote: > > What is the overhead cost to run ZD&T on AWS; that is, how much do they > charge you above what you pay for the IBM license for it. I wonder i

Is the mainfrrame cloud more reliable? was Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Clark Morris
On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 10:55:08 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote: >On 12/8/2021 5:40 AM, Doug wrote: >> I have watched this thread, and there is simply one thing most of us >> are missing. >> This is a MF forum. For years, we have been subjected to "oh using the >> (insert new technology) is so much better th

Re: Latest GUI complaint

2021-12-09 Thread Tom Brennan
> The only silver lining is continued employment opportunities LOL... yes, sometimes doc writers can't seem to put themselves in the position of the person reading the doc. They know the details, so why doesn't everyone else? Non-mainframe example: I recently signed up with zerossl.com for

Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread kekronbekron
With IBM beefing up NFS support, I also expect DS8K to be available in AWS etc. Only then will zD&T be more approachable as there's less data leaving & returning to the platform. I really hope IBM knock it out of the park with the next storage. Since they're also working with NVIDIA for integratin

Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Mark Regan
What is the overhead cost to run ZD&T on AWS; that is, how much do they charge you above what you pay for the IBM license for it. I wonder if IBM will be offering the Learners Edition through the IBM Cloud? Regards, Mark Regan, K8MTR, EN80tg CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1979 active; 1979-1991, reserve

Latest GUI complaint

2021-12-09 Thread Tom Longfellow
i am getting older and grumpier ever day. And this is one of the reasons why. z/OS 2.4 introduces change to AT-TLS rules required for the DDS task default setting of https. The example given in the manual for AT-TLS is in the XML cryptospeach of the developers.Since this is too arcane fo

Re: Replacement for TM instruction

2021-12-09 Thread Tony Harminc
On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 at 16:17, Hobart Spitz wrote: > > Opps: NC NC et al provide only two result possibilities; TM provides three. But since the OP did say "a bit" of a storage area, NC may work. But it has, the side effect of changing one of the operands. There are newish NRK/NRG instructions tha

Re: Replacement for TM instruction

2021-12-09 Thread Robin Vowels
On 2021-12-10 10:02, Joe Monk wrote: Hi, Would this work? Definitely not. It's the same problem as before. TM requires the mask as part of its instruction. As others have suggested, the B operand can be supplied by using EX. An alternative would be to use NC to test for the single bit.

Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Sebastian Welton
I do this occasionally (and in Azure): https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/apn/deploying-ibm-mainframe-z-os-on-aws-with-ibm-zd-and-t/ Sebastian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@l

Re: Replacement for TM instruction

2021-12-09 Thread Charles Mills
TM A,B as you have written it below is not valid and would not assemble without error. TM takes an immediate 8-bit "mask," not the name (address) of a variable. That is the OP's plaint: he wants a variable mask. The best (not only) answer is an executed TM, as several have posted. Charles ---

Re: Replacement for TM instruction

2021-12-09 Thread Joe Monk
Hi, Would this work? MVI B,X'08' MVI A,X'1C' TMA,B BOLABEL A DS X B DS X Joe On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 3:11 PM Ituriel do Neto < 03427ec2837d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Hi all, > I would like advice because i have a situati

Re: Replacement for TM instruction

2021-12-09 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Storage area: ADC X'1C' BDC X'08' TM1 TM A,0 . . . . . Instruction sequence: ICR15,B EX R15,TM1 * HERE YOU WOULD BRANCH BASED ON TM RESULTS HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ituriel do Neto Sen

Re: Replacement for TM instruction

2021-12-09 Thread David Cole
Consider something like this... LLC R1, ... TM A,*-* EXRL R1,*-4 Dave Cole On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 4:10 PM Ituriel do Neto < 03427ec2837d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Hi all, > I would like advice because i have a situation where i need to check a

Re: Replacement for TM instruction

2021-12-09 Thread Charles Mills
ICRn,B(No need to clear first) EXRn,EXTM JOX ... EXTM TMA,0 Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ituriel do Neto Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 1:11 PM To: IBM-M

Re: Replacement for TM instruction

2021-12-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 15:16:40 -0600, Hobart Spitz wrote: >Opps: NC > >OREXXMan >Would you rather pass data in move mode (*nix piping) or locate mode >(Pipes) or via disk (JCL)? Why do you think you rarely see *nix commands >with more than a dozen filters, while Pipelines specifications are common

Re: Replacement for TM instruction

2021-12-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 21:10:38 +, Ituriel do Neto wrote: > >I would like advice because i have a situation where i need to check a bit of >a storage area, usinganother storage area as a pattern and not an immediate. > >I have something like this : >A       DC    X'1C'B       DC    X'08' >       

Re: Replacement for TM instruction

2021-12-09 Thread Hobart Spitz
Opps: NC OREXXMan Would you rather pass data in move mode (*nix piping) or locate mode (Pipes) or via disk (JCL)? Why do you think you rarely see *nix commands with more than a dozen filters, while Pipelines specifications are commonly over 100s of stages, and 1000s of stages are not uncommon.

Re: Replacement for TM instruction

2021-12-09 Thread Hobart Spitz
XC OREXXMan Would you rather pass data in move mode (*nix piping) or locate mode (Pipes) or via disk (JCL)? Why do you think you rarely see *nix commands with more than a dozen filters, while Pipelines specifications are commonly over 100s of stages, and 1000s of stages are not uncommon. REXX is

Replacement for TM instruction

2021-12-09 Thread Ituriel do Neto
Hi all, I would like advice because i have a situation where i need to check a bit of a storage area, usinganother storage area as a pattern and not an immediate. I have something like this : A       DC    X'1C'B       DC    X'08'          TM    A,x'08'         JO    X But instead of using x'08',

Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 12/8/2021 5:40 AM, Doug wrote: I have watched this thread, and there is simply one thing most of us are missing. This is a MF forum. For years, we have been subjected to "oh using the (insert new technology) is so much better than these old obsolete mainframes." And we have universally warne

Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Mark Regan
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3644370/aws-outage-hit-collaboration-vendors-highlights-risk-of-cloud-based-tools.html Regards, Mark Regan, K8MTR, EN80tg CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1979 active; 1979-1991, reserves; including two years with the Ohio Air National Guard) Nationwide Insurance, Ret

Re: [EXTERNAL] 950K IO max on Z15 LPAR was Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Pommier, Rex
Hi Clark, It appears as though we actually are getting close to the 1 microsecond value. Of course I can't find it today but yesterday when I saw the *ahem* discussion between Seymour and Bill, I went searching because I didn't think the industry was anywhere near microsecond speeds. An artic

Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
>You said: "...  Did the world not exist before 1960s? Did people automatically die before 1960s because they didn't have MF? ..." Nobody died because of computer failure in the times before computers. Nobody died because of gun in the times before guns existed. Nobody died in airplane crash be

Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Bill Johnson
Keep in mind this thread is about AWS (the magnificent) having an outage, that if it happened in a mainframe shop, would be considered terrible and unacceptable. In fact, AWS (and Azure/Google clouds) are down fairly often. There are people on the internet who keep track of these things. Wherea

Re: 950K IO max on Z15 LPAR was Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Ever since the advent of the 2880, there has been significant overlap even on a single channel. I don't find 950K/s to be at all surprising. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.U

Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Cameron Conacher
And a very Merry Christmas to all. Thanks, …….Cameron Vacation Alert: I will be OOO from December 9th 2021 though to January 4th 2022 inclusive. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Joe Monk Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 10:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [Ext

Re: 950K IO max on Z15 LPAR was Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
How does that compare to the throughput for FCP? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Attila Fogarasi [fogar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 1

Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Keep in mind that what IBM is discussing is throughput rather than the duration of a single I/O. A typical installation will be doing I/O to a lot of DASD volumes concurrently. When you have a lot of concurrent I/O requests on the same channel, the effect of, e.g., rotational delay, cache miss,

Re: 950K IO max on Z15 LPAR was Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread Attila Fogarasi
zHPF has finally enabled FICON to catch up to the (high) performance of the underlying fibre channel (which non-z uses), and still keep the benefits of FICON -- which are substantial. It isn't just performance. For z15 IO is ROI competitive with best of breed cloud servers, and beats them with th