Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Tom Brennan
Exactly. JCL is just a table of data like you mentioned with the XML/JSON comparisons. I would imagine it's used to build control blocks like JSCB/JCT/SCT/SIOT/JFCB prior to job execution - more tables. Maybe a bigger issue is with non-mainframe folks wondering why JCL is there in the first

Re: Manuals for 3179G, 3192G, 3979

2022-01-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 1/6/22 7:39 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: Actually, I low-balled the guy on e-bay and got the manuals today and scanned them for you. Happy Holidays :) Wow! That's mighty generous of you. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- For

Re: JCL IF-THEN-ELSE-ENDIF Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Charles Mills
Yeah, IF is EXEC COND in a different suit of clothes. It must control an entire jobstep. :-( Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Nash, Jonathan S. Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 8:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Gord Tomlin
On 2022-01-06 20:40 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: Other things may have seemed reasonable to the inventors of JCL, but later usage proved there were better ways. Tough; it is what it is, now, and very few improvements can be made to it without invalidating bazillions of lines of existing JCL code O

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I would not describe JCL as a programming language anymore than a pom is a language. Maven uses the pom XML to describe actions, dependencies and based on its analysis actually does the execution. Not a great comparison but I think it is consistent with JCL being a set of directives that are

JCL IF-THEN-ELSE-ENDIF Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Nash, Jonathan S.
Its funny you should mention that now. I was just working on some JCL and I had just assumed that I could set symbolics using IF THEN ELSE ENDIF: // IF (STEP1.RC = 0) THEN // SYMB=GOOD // ELSE // SYMB=BAD // ENDIF but I found out that BOTH SET statements are executed no matter what the retur

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 7/01/2022 12:23 pm, David Crayford wrote: I understand that it's declarative. But it has logic such as IF/THEN. That is no reason why it couldn't have been a scripting language like CL on AS/400. IF/THEN was a late addition, and is probably one of the biggest problems with JCL because it

Re: Manuals for 3179G, 3192G, 3979

2022-01-06 Thread Alexander Huemer
I don't know what to say... other than thank you. I'll enjoy reading every page and spotted some details already that would have been impossible to figure out without the docs. -Alex On Thu, Jan 06, 2022 at 09:39:01PM -0500, Matt Hogstrom wrote: > Actually, I low-balled the guy on e-bay and got

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread David Crayford
On 7/1/22 9:44 am, Bob Bridges wrote: I never heard of Lua until I started playing Factorio a few years ago; apparently it's the language in which players can add mods to the game. For that reason I wasn't sure even what it is. Is it really a programming language, or some special-purpose thi

Re: Manuals for 3179G, 3192G, 3979

2022-01-06 Thread Matt Hogstrom
Actually, I low-balled the guy on e-bay and got the manuals today and scanned them for you. Happy Holidays :) Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org +1-919-656-0564 PGP Key: 0x90ECB270 Facebook LinkedIn Twitter

Re: Manuals for 3179G, 3192G, 3979

2022-01-06 Thread Alexander Huemer
Hi Matt This is absolutely amazing, thank you very much! The next thing you tell me is that you have a shipping box full of 3979s that you need to get rid of. :-) Thanks again! -Alex P.S. There is a little typo in the name of the second pdf. s/3279/3979/ On Thu, Jan 06, 2022 at 09:15:08PM -050

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 21:38:22 -0400, René Jansen wrote: >https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/nKfGUhdkO8U > Which links to a 7-minute video lecture by Brooks in which he fails to mention the most essential (IMO) feature of JCL: the ability to ENQ multiple data set names in a molecul

Re: Manuals for 3179G, 3192G, 3979

2022-01-06 Thread Matt Hogstrom
Alexander, enjoy. I’m going to move the to Git LFS in a few days but the manuals can be found here: IBM 3192-G Color Graphics Display Station - Operator Reference and Problem Solving Guide.pdf

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Bob Bridges
I usually include JCL under the ~very~ general rubric of "programming language", but even mentally I think that's a stretch. It's more like a macro language, sort of like .bat I guess. I may as well take this opportunity to include a mild rant. I've often heard the programs you can write for

Re: FTP client, server certificate is expired

2022-01-06 Thread Attila Fogarasi
To answer the original question by the OP, for FTP you can specify "SECURE LOGIN OPTIONAL" in FTP.DATA ... of course doing that eliminates the need for any certificates. I suppose it could be an emergency circumvention but you'd have to assess the significance of the ramifications for your system.

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Bob Bridges
I never heard of Lua until I started playing Factorio a few years ago; apparently it's the language in which players can add mods to the game. For that reason I wasn't sure even what it is. Is it really a programming language, or some special-purpose thingy? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Bob Bridges
I’m always assumed JCL was designed back when my dad was but a lad, and that certain conventions had not yet become conventional. The COND statement, for example, might have seemed intuitive to me had the rest of the world ended up following that backward order; as it is, I have to look it up e

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread René Jansen
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/nKfGUhdkO8U Sent from my iPad > On 6 Jan 2022, at 21:23, David Crayford wrote: > > On 7/1/22 9:03 am, Andrew Rowley wrote: >> On 7/01/2022 11:37 am, David Crayford wrote: >> Isn't JCL already a really good tool for what it does? >>> >

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread David Crayford
On 7/1/22 9:03 am, Andrew Rowley wrote: On 7/01/2022 11:37 am, David Crayford wrote: Isn't JCL already a really good tool for what it does? Maybe, but it's a terribly designed language. I worked on AS/400 boxes in the 90s and the Control Language (CL) was a legit Turing complete program lan

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread René Jansen
What I forget to mention is that you get most from the combination of Rexx and Pipelines, the latter something that IBM stubbornly refuses to put into base MVS, although it is the #1 Share request. I will look into Lua. Need to do that for TeX anyway. René. > On 6 Jan 2022, at 21:05, David Cr

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread David Crayford
On 7/1/22 9:08 am, Charles Mills wrote: It's my understanding that IBM dropped Swift Wow. Swift was the flavor of the month a couple of years ago. It is for iOS development but never took off as a server side language. IBM backed the wrong horse. Golang became dominant, so now we have a z/OS

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Charles Mills
> It's my understanding that IBM dropped Swift Wow. Swift was the flavor of the month a couple of years ago. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 4:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread David Crayford
Forgot to mention. Support for functional programming map, reduce, filter etc. REXX does support ECMAScript regular expressions on z/OS if you use my package https://github.com/daveyc/RTK. All of those requirements are met by Lua which runs on z/OS, including modules in PDS data sets, suppor

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 7/01/2022 11:37 am, David Crayford wrote: Isn't JCL already a really good tool for what it does? Maybe, but it's a terribly designed language. I worked on AS/400 boxes in the 90s and the Control Language (CL) was a legit Turing complete program language. Why couldn't JCL have been the sam

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread René Jansen
ooRexx meets most of those, we can discuss 1,2 and 5. NetRexx does as Java does. Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Jan 2022, at 20:47, David Crayford wrote: > > Here is my list of must haves for a scripting language. Does REXX or ooRexx > meet the requirements? > > 1. Short circuit evaluation > 2.

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread David Crayford
Here is my list of must haves for a scripting language. Does REXX or ooRexx meet the requirements? 1. Short circuit evaluation 2. Functions as first class objects 3. Mutli-threading 4. Dynamically typed, preferably with type hints 5. co-routintes 6. A module system 7. Support for object oriented

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread David Crayford
On 7/1/22 12:28 am, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: On Thu, 6 Jan 2022, at 08:53, David Crayford wrote: It's insulting to call young people prima donna's just because they don't want to use 3270 or JCL. Absolutely. But what's a decent alternative to JCL? There will always be a need for JCL. Started ta

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Reading 6250BPI minireels into new formats isn’t as hard as you may think . . . There are places that could do it for you at a reasonable price, and some people will do it gratis . . . 😊 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Thursday,

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Phil Smith III
Peter Farley asked: >Ahh! But did you save a copy of the tape? (Not that you could share them with anyone anyway, I was just curious - as an invulnerable young whippersnapper I would have done so and not told anyone either . . . without ever considering the possible consequences. Such is youth.

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Ahh! But did you save a copy of the tape? (Not that you could share them with anyone anyway, I was just curious - as an invulnerable young whippersnapper I would have done so and not told anyone either . . . without ever considering the possible consequences. Such is youth.) Peter -Ori

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Phil Smith III
At one point in the 1990s, IBM PartnerWorld started charging a $5K/year fee. We ponied up. One of the benefits was that you could now get the PL/X (or maybe PL/AS by then) compiler, so I requested and got it. A few months later they reversed the decision about the $5K and I got a call explainin

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Charles Mills
I remember the offer. We decided not to avail ourselves. Did not wish to "invest" in an unsupported product. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Harminc Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 1:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@L

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Tony Harminc
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 at 15:39, Matt Hogstrom wrote: > > That’s true for all source code and not unique to the PLX language. I > suspect that PLX originally was not intended to be held to the same rigor as > commercial languages and was specialized so IBM never er let it out of the > lab. Well

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
And, if memory serves me right, those were on Betamax tapes. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of PINION, RICHARD W. Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 4:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
Deltak, now that's a name, I've not heard in a long time. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 4:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS [Ex

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Bob Bridges
One of my employers started me off with a Deltak video course on JCL. It gave me a solid grounding in JCL, one I've used almost every week in the decades since. I am frequently surprised at how many mainframe professionals limp along, modifying existing JCL at need but not really understanding ho

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Matt Hogstrom
That’s true for all source code and not unique to the PLX language. I suspect that PLX originally was not intended to be held to the same rigor as commercial languages and was specialized so IBM never er let it out of the lab. Matt Hogstrom A generalist knows less and less about more and more

Re: ICSF and domain sharing

2022-01-06 Thread Dave Jousma
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 16:02:22 -0400, Eric D Rossman wrote: >"Dave Jousma" wrote: > >> You have to be careful though, because the MK for the domain is the >> same on both adapters, > >That is true only if both adapters are on the same LPAR. If they are on >different LPARs, there is no requirement

Re: ICSF and domain sharing

2022-01-06 Thread Eric D Rossman
"Dave Jousma" wrote: > You have to be careful though, because the MK for the domain is the > same on both adapters, That is true only if both adapters are on the same LPAR. If they are on different LPARs, there is no requirement that they be the same. However, I would recommend it because it m

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
There are too things that JCL handles well; overrides and parallel allocation. I don't see the need for either going away. That said, there is certainly an argument to be made for scripts using tools like file tailoring to construct JCL instead of always doing it manually. And there is certainl

Re: Whereabouts of Concatd Tool Please

2022-01-06 Thread Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
This is not the CONCATD tool, but it fulfils similar requirements and I think it is simpler. https://rsclweb.com/downloads/#CONCAT-position Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw https://rsclweb.com ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discu

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 19:25:11 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I believe that it was Hitachi that stole MVS/XA source code. I don't know the >terms of the settlement. > I know we sold a version of a software product customized for hardware system and OS that could not legally be imported to the U.S.,

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread René Jansen
https://books.google.nl/books?id=ldk7z4Q-WWYC&pg=RA14-PT5&lpg=RA14-PT5&dq=hitachi+ibm+source+code&source=bl&ots=wu-vjyCcCR&sig=ACfU3U1kpVpCkQgJDtFT-jskySEtVGcAPw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7oJuY7p31AhUDTDABHVQ2AZ4Q6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q=hitachi%20ibm%20source%20code&f=false

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
PL/X started as BSL in the 1960s. At the time it supported imbedded assembler, which would not be portable. PL/S II still did. Open sourcing BSL or PL/S might not have been enough to prevent C; could you fit a compiler on a PDP-7 or PDP-11? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smet

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
I believe that it was Hitachi that stole MVS/XA source code. I don't know the terms of the settlement. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Colin Paice [coli

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 18:37:01 +, Colin Paice wrote: >Making PLX Internal to IBM may be to protect its Intellectual Property. I >remember a vendor taking some IBM source,, renaming it and shipping it. >When it went to court, ... > We did that. Through MVS 3.8 IBM source code was open. We took

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 16:28:42 +, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: >... >Absolutely. But what's a decent alternative to JCL? > o Forgo compatibility. Whip sockets were long ago removed from automobile dashboards. They are no longer mourned. (But provide a conversion tool.) o Free-form input. No

Re: Whereabouts of Concatd Tool Please

2022-01-06 Thread Jasi Grewal
Thank You Paul and yes I tested using bpxwdyn and it does work. Thanks again, Regards, On 2022-01-06 1:17 p.m., Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 12:11:24 -0500, Jasi Grewal wrote: I am looking for concatd tool and could not find it under CBT files either and any information would be a

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Colin Paice
Making PLX Internal to IBM may be to protect its Intellectual Property. I remember a vendor taking some IBM source,, renaming it and shipping it. When it went to court, they compared the vendor code with IBM code, and noticed that the code was similar, the developers had the same initials, and bo

Re: Whereabouts of Concatd Tool Please

2022-01-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 12:11:24 -0500, Jasi Grewal wrote: > >I am looking for concatd tool and could not find it under CBT files >either and any information >would be appreciated. I hope to get the complete package with Help files >as well on concatd. > I find few references, such as

Re: JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
PLX puts a value in the IDR data that can be plainly seen in the load module. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 1:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: JCL (was: Python ... REXX) EXTERNAL EMAIL On Th

JCL (was: Python ... REXX)

2022-01-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 12:57:34 -0400, René Jansen wrote: >JCL ... Fred Brooks (“the worst language ever, and it happened under my >watch”) . >... >And indeed, I think witholding PL/X from customers was a very odd move, guided >by who-knows-which motives; which did not do PL/I a lot of good, un

Whereabouts of Concatd Tool Please

2022-01-06 Thread Jasi Grewal
Hi, I am looking for concatd tool and could not find it under CBT files either and any information would be appreciated. I hope to get the complete package with Help files as well on concatd. Thank You in advance, Regards, Jasi Grewal. ---

Re: FTP client, server certificate is expired

2022-01-06 Thread Grant Taylor
On 1/5/22 2:17 PM, Charles Mills wrote: Here is the problem with that logic. If there is a problem with the integrity of a certificate the CA will revoke it. N.B. Revocation and Expiration are two different mechanism that indicate two very different things. IMHO this is /especially/ true if

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread René Jansen
JCL is an interesting problem. While being disavowed very publicly by Fred Brooks (“the worst language ever, and it happened under my watch”) - I did the same thing as you in the same timeframe - and faced a revolt/uprising of the operations staff. It turned out they liked it very much and hated

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
No, a router. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jeremy Nicoll [jn.ls.mfrm...@letterboxes.org] Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 11:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSER

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022, at 14:33, Seymour J Metz wrote: > I hate, lathe and despise C ... Hmm, is this what is meant in computing by a "tool chain"? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / a

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022, at 08:53, David Crayford wrote: > It's insulting to call young people prima donna's just because they > don't want to use 3270 or JCL. Absolutely. But what's a decent alternative to JCL? I know (because 20+ years ago I did so) one can replace job steps with JCL-controlle

Re: ISPF, How to insert text to the first input field in the panel ?

2022-01-06 Thread Willy Jensen
Also, the ZCMD field may not be wide enough for your purpose. Personally I would just write a small prompt panel, as I then would have full control over format etc. Com to think of it, I do have (at least) one such panel. -- For

Re: ICSF and domain sharing

2022-01-06 Thread Dave Jousma
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 16:04:59 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > >Thank you for the clarification and excuse me for next question: are you >sure one can have i.e. LPARX using Crypto01 in domain 10 (no other >crypto cards) *and* LPARY using Crypto02 in domain 10 both activated? >As I said my memor

Re: ICSF and domain sharing

2022-01-06 Thread Eric D Rossman
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote on 01/06/2022 10:04:59 AM: > Thank you for the clarification and excuse me for next question: are you > sure one can have i.e. LPARX using Crypto01 in domain 10 (no other > crypto cards) *and* LPARY using Crypto02 in domain 10 both activated? > As I said my memory is p

Re: ICSF and domain sharing

2022-01-06 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
W dniu 04.01.2022 o 22:25, Dave Jousma pisze: On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 21:48:23 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: Another question about ICSF: I vaguely remember that crypto domains had to be unique. In other words every active LPAR can have unique domain number or several numbers (which is another

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
If your job requires paper (FSVO paper) tape and you refuse to use it then, yes, you are a prima donna. I hate, lathe and despise C, but that doesn't stop me from using it when the job requires that I do so. I don't like Perl syntax, but I still use it because of regexen and the massive CPAN.

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Rob Scott
Rocket have access to PL/X only for the products that we develop for IBM. Some of those divested products were originally coded in PL/X or a mixture of PL/X and ASM. Rob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: 06 January 2022 13:41 To:

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 10:16:05 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >... >As Rob mentioned in a later post we have since written tooling to invoke >the PL/X and DTL compilers from zFS. Quite a few projects choose to stay >using PDS data sets and sync to the file system to use Git. > How do you happen to

Re: ISPF, How to insert text to the first input field in the panel ?

2022-01-06 Thread Weizman arbel
>> address ispexec >> ZCMD = 'my-text' >> "DISPLAY PANEL(&zpanelid)" I knew about this possibility from the beginning The problem you can not DISPLAY PANEL every panel for example SYS1.ISP.SISPPENU(ISREDDE2) RETRIEVE , RETP , RETF Use of another technique Maybe STACK queue 'my-text' And at

Re: ISPF, How to insert text to the first input field in the panel ?

2022-01-06 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Yap. ZCMD is the IIBM default for the command line. I must say that it was hard to understand that this is what you wanted. Happy it worked for you. ITschak *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, z

Re: ISPF, How to insert text to the first input field in the panel ?

2022-01-06 Thread Weizman arbel
>)init section of the panel, set ZCMd = x, where x was set as previpusly It's not my panel this code do it : address ispexec ZCMD = 'my-text' "DISPLAY PANEL(&zpanelid)" If the panel contains the variable ZCMD On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 13:50:05 +0200, Itschak Mugzach wro

Re: ISPF, How to insert text to the first input field in the panel ?

2022-01-06 Thread Itschak Mugzach
So, you you want to populate the command field of the panel? If so, in the )init section of the panel, set ZCMd = x, where x was set as previpusly explained. ITschak *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring fo

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread René Jansen
Answers inline. > On 6 Jan 2022, at 04:54, David Crayford levelled. If > young employees don’t want to work on 3270 tube images or JCL, maybe we > should stop hiring prima donna’s but instead disadvantaged people who want to > work and learn something. > > It's insulting to call young people p

Re: ISPF, How to insert text to the first input field in the panel ?

2022-01-06 Thread Weizman arbel
>Then again, you still haven't answered the fundamental question: WHY DO YOU >WANT TO DO THIS? In several situations I want to prepare/offer the user command after he exeute my rexx. I don't want to use a message option In a similar case IBMDSC (spufy) after global find (g f 'abc') in member list

Re: ISPF, How to insert text to the first input field in the panel ?

2022-01-06 Thread Robert Prins
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 at 09:40, Willy Jensen wrote: > Long thread, not sure if this has been mentioned before. > The first input (or output field for that matter) will have a variable > name associated with it, that is the variable name you use in the > assignment. Not X. > At long last a sensible

Re: ISPF, How to insert text to the first input field in the panel ?

2022-01-06 Thread Weizman arbel
If you mean to this It does not work address ispexec x = 'my text' "vput X profile" On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 10:24:27 +0200, Itschak Mugzach wrote: >You better tell us what you are trying to achieve. If the text >should retain over sessions, use vput 'x'

Re: ISPF, How to insert text to the first input field in the panel ?

2022-01-06 Thread Willy Jensen
Long thread, not sure if this has been mentioned before. The first input (or output field for that matter) will have a variable name associated with it, that is the variable name you use in the assignment. Not X. -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-06 Thread David Crayford
On 5/1/22 8:55 pm, René Jansen wrote: I also salute the CICS guys, who seem to have free reign to put everything in CICS that is available elsewhere. I agree that IBM should make mainframe emulators freely available, not only for universities. IBM should realize that mainframes are not unlike

Re: ISPF, How to insert text to the first input field in the panel ?

2022-01-06 Thread Itschak Mugzach
You better tell us what you are trying to achieve. If the text should retain over sessions, use vput 'x' profile. *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, zLinux and IBM I **| * *|* *Email**: i_mugz