Re: z13s going EOS anytime soon?

2023-08-28 Thread Alain Benvéniste
I am looking for a OSA-ICC card for a z13s. You can contact me offline at the address below. Thanks Resiliency Services on Z Mainframe alain.benveni...@kyndryl.com > Le 29 août 2023 à 06:53, Brian Westerman a > écrit : > > 4 our our clients are running z13s's and they all have received the

Re: z13s going EOS anytime soon?

2023-08-28 Thread Brian Westerman
4 our our clients are running z13s's and they all have received the notification that it's EOS as of 12/31/2024 Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with

Re: Changing a LIBRARY-ID in the OSCONFIG of HCD

2023-08-28 Thread Gord Neill
HI Mark, Looks like it will require a HW/SW update after all. I created a deck after making the OS Config changes, and at the top of the deck is an ID statement, with one of the parameters being "TOK" with a pile of numbers/date/time and so forth. It's completely different from the original I

Re: [External] : Connect Direct for z/Os Upgrade

2023-08-28 Thread Gilson Cesar de Oliveira
Hi Richard, Yes. The dataset where where the exits reside is APF. Em seg., 28 de ago. de 2023 às 16:24, Richard McIntosh < richard.mcint...@oracle.com> escreveu: > Is the library authorized that the exits on it? Make sure it is the APF > list. > LONG TEXT => The user-written exit program was

Re: Connect Direct for z/Os Upgrade

2023-08-28 Thread Gilson Cesar de Oliveira
Hi Kolusu, Thanks for your reply. Regarding the the dataset where I Have both modules (exits), it’s authorized. The most strange is that for some processes work with no issues. For other we have the errors. We’d like to understand why it’s happening. If you have any idea on why this is happening f

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread David Crayford
On 29/8/2023 8:35 am, Steve Thompson wrote: What happens if a WINTEL server running MQ buys the farm? Those inflight transactions going through that server may time out and have to be re-driven. Is this considered an outage? Not if you have a second one handling the load and it takes over. B

Re: Uptime?

2023-08-28 Thread Bill Johnson
David always loves a reach around. In fact, this site is full of guys, mostly white, who love agreeing with each other. Because they don’t want to hurt someone’s feelings for fear that person might be their next employer or reference. It’s like a cult. Lots of companies promise and deliver 5 9’s

Re: Uptime?

2023-08-28 Thread David Crayford
> On 29 Aug 2023, at 8:18 am, Gibney, Dave > <03b5261cfd78-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Yes, IBM z hardware and z/OS properly sysplexed can achieve many 9s of > reliability. I don't think this is in dispute. > But, computers are tools that perform useful things for people. It

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread Steve Thompson
Back in the day, we worked on RAS. So we put in error detection hardware (sometimes that was "firmware, or macrocode) and IBM and all our competitors were doing the same. And the idea was to have redundant power supplies so that a CE could do maint, and not take down the system. And if possible

Re: Uptime?

2023-08-28 Thread Bill Johnson
lol, hopefully, when you need your health records to check on drug interactions after your 3am illness, your health care provider won’t be running backups and they aren’t available. Or a banking transaction from China to Citigroup can process 24 by 7. Lots of companies offer 99.999.  Sent from

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread Bill Johnson
This is easy. Another company offering 5 9’s. https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/sponsored/syndicated/why-five-nines-of-service-availability-matters-for-sase/2023/02/ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 28, 2023, 8:12 PM, David Crayford wrote: > On 29 Aug 2023, at 8:05 am, B

Uptime?

2023-08-28 Thread Gibney, Dave
Yes, IBM z hardware and z/OS properly sysplexed can achieve many 9s of reliability. I don't think this is in dispute. But, computers are tools that perform useful things for people. It should be clear that actual availability of application function at the outside endpoints is not nearly as

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread Bill Johnson
Welcome to 7 9’s idiot.  https://www.itmanagement101.co.uk/who-commits-to-five-nines-99-999-availability/ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 28, 2023, 8:12 PM, David Crayford wrote: > On 29 Aug 2023, at 8:05 am, Bill Johnson > <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread David Crayford
> On 29 Aug 2023, at 8:05 am, Bill Johnson > <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > You’re the weakest link here. How can IBM guarantee 99.999 uptime for systems > they don’t make or support? I’ve worked for numerous companies that didn’t > have outages of the mainframe for

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread Bill Johnson
Simple Google search turned up this company who promises 99.999. LOL https://www.serviceobjects.com/blog/weve-raised-the-bar-99-999-uptime-guarantee/ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 28, 2023, 7:47 PM, David Crayford wrote: > On 29 Aug 2023, at 7:41 am, Bill Johnson > <00

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread Bill Johnson
You’re the weakest link here. How can IBM guarantee 99.999 uptime for systems they don’t make or support? I’ve worked for numerous companies that didn’t have outages of the mainframe for years. Health insurance companies can get huge fines if their systems are unavailable. I also looked on Linke

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread David Crayford
> On 29 Aug 2023, at 7:41 am, Bill Johnson > <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > You’re ASSuming Zelle is on the mainframe. Why does it matter where it’s running. Banking applications are only as reliable as their weakest link. > Multiple 9’s is a fact and many companie

Re: GAO recommends upgrades at IRS, Dept Defense Logistics

2023-08-28 Thread Steve Thompson
The biggest problem it is said that they have is NO ONE is teaching ALC anymore and they have lots of programs written in ALC. So COBOL is the "political" problem because one has to know English to program in it. You know, READ, WRITE, COMPUTE, PERFORM, and that kind of stuff. sigh. Steve T

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread Bill Johnson
You’re ASSuming Zelle is on the mainframe. Multiple 9’s is a fact and many companies are running it. You’re an idiot. More truth. Looks like you threaten people on the internet too. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 28, 2023, 7:27 PM, David Crayford wrote: On 28/8/2023 10:21

Re: LISTSERV Trivia: Deleting drafts?

2023-08-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 18:09:57 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote: >... >What you have written in quotes on the second line seems broken to me. >I'm seeing ampersand, ampersand, a, m, p, semicolon, S, Y, M, B, O, L, >period. > >I have no idea what you were trying to write. > I'll copy/paste a couple lines

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread David Crayford
On 28/8/2023 10:21 pm, Bill Johnson wrote: LOL, there’s Crayfish making stupid comments again. The difference between me and Perryman is I tell the truth. IBM does offer multiple 9’s uptime. And numerous banks have the setup necessary. JP Morgan (a REAL bank) spends BILLIONS per year on IT.

Re: Firefox and HMC self-signed cert

2023-08-28 Thread Tom Brennan
Does that work? In the past when I created a self-signed cert (for Apache on Linux), adding it to the trusted certs didn't work (at least in Chrome). I still got the evil warnings. I ended up creating my own CA, used that to sign the web cert, and then copied the CA to the trusted certs in C

Re: LISTSERV Trivia: Deleting drafts?

2023-08-28 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/28/23 4:21 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Yes. I see your message has headers: X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.9.0-alpha0-701-g9b2f44d3ee-fm-20230823.001-g9b2f44d3 Mime-Version: 1.0 References:<7241413257405975.wa.paulgboulderaol@listserv.ua.edu>

GAO recommends upgrades at IRS, Dept Defense Logistics

2023-08-28 Thread Mike Schwab
https://planetmainframe.com/2023/08/mandates-and-talent-shortages-are-driving-big-spending-on-modernization/ IBM is one contractor. -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For

Re: Firefox and HMC self-signed cert

2023-08-28 Thread Peter Vels
It's not about the port. You need to add the self-signed certificate to Firefox’s list of trusted certificates. On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 05:50, Radoslaw Skorupka < 0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Disclaimer: I know it is much better idea to use "regular" certificate > sig

Re: LISTSERV Trivia: Deleting drafts?

2023-08-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 15:28:25 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: >Gil, >Not your question, but is the WWW interface why all of your posts break into a >new thread? ( at least in a few mailers that I have used). > Yes. I see your message has headers: X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agen

Re: LISTSERV Trivia: Deleting drafts?

2023-08-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 15:28:25 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: >Gil, >Not your question, but is the WWW interface why all of your posts break into a >new thread? ( at least in a few mailers that I have used). Probably. I just click "Open New Window" on the crayon icon, then click the quote icon. Where

Re: LISTSERV Trivia: Deleting drafts?

2023-08-28 Thread Kirk Wolf
Gil, Not your question, but is the WWW interface why all of your posts break into a new thread? ( at least in a few mailers that I have used). Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http:// coztoolkit.com On Mon, Aug 28, 2023, at 3:21 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > I use the WWW

LISTSERV Trivia: Deleting drafts?

2023-08-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
I use the WWW interface to post to IBM-MAIN. At times it tells me I have lingering drafts. Each shows a trashcan icon. Clicking it usually fails or causes a window hang. Is there a trick? I may have just discovered that it works better to delete in (reverse) chronological order. Is that wha

Re: "XYZZY"?

2023-08-28 Thread Mike Schwab
She lived on Green Acres? On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 1:30 PM Jay Maynard wrote: > > I read something not long ago that had a line about "nobody tries to > pronounce her name, since it's a Polish name with five silent Zs in it..." > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 1:23 PM Radoslaw Skorupka < > 0471ebea

Re: "XYZZY"?

2023-08-28 Thread Tony Harminc
On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 at 14:23, Radoslaw Skorupka <0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I'm happy Polish has no doubts regarding pronunciation. No flavours, > different versions, etc. > And it is IMHO very clearly and simply defined. Note, it doesn't mean > the Polish is easy to

Firefox and HMC self-signed cert

2023-08-28 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
Disclaimer: I know it is much better idea to use "regular" certificate signed by CA instead of self-signed one. However I have to work on some HMC which use self-signed certificate. So far, so good. When I connect first time I get warning message on my Firefox browser. I accept the risk and fur

Re: Connect Direct for z/Os Upgrade

2023-08-28 Thread Sri h Kolusu
>> We recompiled two exits DGAMGSAF and DGACXSIG and for some processes it's >> working as expected but for this example above we can see errors. Gilson, You need to have the library that contains those 2 modules to be AUTHORIZED. Also, you may want to check if any of this applies. https://www

Re: [External] : Connect Direct for z/Os Upgrade

2023-08-28 Thread Richard McIntosh
Is the library authorized that the exits on it? Make sure it is the APF list. LONG TEXT => The user-written exit program was not found in an authorized library. Richard -Ori

Connect Direct for z/Os Upgrade

2023-08-28 Thread Gilson Cesar de Oliveira
We are upgrading COnnect Direct for z/Os at version 4.8 to 5.1 (this is the first step to upgrade to version 6.2) and we are facing issues for some processes when using the new version of the loadlib of Connect Direct. SCIB006I SIGNON COMMAND (CONDENSED) => USERID /NODE =

Re: z13s going EOS anytime soon?

2023-08-28 Thread Joe Monk
https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/system/files/inline-files/IBM%20Mainframe%20Life%20Cycle%20History%20V2.13%20-%20July%2011%202023.pdf - slide 4 z13s is EOS on 12/31/2024. Joe On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 1:58 PM Claude Richbourg < claude.richbo...@myfloridacfo.com> wrote: > Good afternoon, > > We

z13s going EOS anytime soon?

2023-08-28 Thread Claude Richbourg
Good afternoon, We are currently running on a z13s -2965 and I just started the planning process of going to a newer processor sometime soon. Has anyone heard when the official IBM EOS will be for the z13s? I have seen different dates 06-30-2026 and now 12-31-2024, so I am not sure what the re

Re: "XYZZY"?

2023-08-28 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
Well... There are no silent letters in Polish. However we use several digraphs like SZ, CZ, RZ, CH, DZ, DŹ, DŻ. And trigraph DZI. Not to mention single letters Ą,Ć,Ę,Ł,Ń,Ó,Ś,Ż,Ź. But we don't use Q an V. SZ is similar to English SH (shame), CZ to TCH (scotch), the rest is harder to explain, esp

Re: "XYZZY"?

2023-08-28 Thread Jay Maynard
I read something not long ago that had a line about "nobody tries to pronounce her name, since it's a Polish name with five silent Zs in it..." On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 1:23 PM Radoslaw Skorupka < 0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > (My €0.02 contribution to the off-topic thre

Re: "XYZZY"?

2023-08-28 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
(My €0.02 contribution to the off-topic thread) I'm happy Polish has no doubts regarding pronunciation. No flavours, different versions, etc. And it is IMHO very clearly and simply defined. Note, it doesn't mean the Polish is easy to learn to at least easy to speak. BTW: German pronunciation ru

Re: Syncsort > DFsort migration

2023-08-28 Thread Schmitt, Michael
Syncsort's site says they support IBM's Integrated Accelerator for Z Sort coprocessor for z15 also. Not sure what the limits are when that is used. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Sri h Kolusu Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 12:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LIS

Re: Syncsort > DFsort migration

2023-08-28 Thread Sri h Kolusu
>> It was the thread in January 12th 2023, with subject "DFSORT maximum input >> records". The message that kicked it off was: Thanks Michael. It is good to know the other products limits. DFSORT has raised the limit with Sort accelerator to 65,536 times than the other product's limit. Thank

Re: Syncsort > DFsort migration

2023-08-28 Thread Schmitt, Michael
It was the thread in January 12th 2023, with subject "DFSORT maximum input records". The message that kicked it off was: From: Charles Hardee Subject: DFSORT maximum input records MIME-Version: 1.0 I am trying to sort roughly 4295217295, records using DFSORT. DFSORT issues a message that I have

Re: Syncsort > DFsort migration

2023-08-28 Thread Kirk Wolf
On Mon, Aug 28, 2023, at 11:59 AM, Tom Brennan wrote: > LOL "a while" > Don't worry, IBM would sell you Capacity-on-Demand while the job ran. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://coztoolkit.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / s

Re: Syncsort > DFsort migration

2023-08-28 Thread Tom Brennan
LOL "a while" On 8/28/2023 9:49 AM, Sri h Kolusu wrote: I think it was mentioned in this list previously that EQUALS in DFSORT has a lower limit on maximum number of records than SYNCSORT. Michael, Can you please provide link to that topic that mentions that DFSORT has a lower limit than th

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Syncsort > DFsort migration

2023-08-28 Thread Pommier, Rex
I don't care how fast your computer is, that would take a while to sort! LOL Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Sri h Kolusu Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 11:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Syncsort > DFsort migration >>

Re: Syncsort > DFsort migration

2023-08-28 Thread Sri h Kolusu
>> I think it was mentioned in this list previously that EQUALS in DFSORT has a >> lower limit on maximum number of records than SYNCSORT. Michael, Can you please provide link to that topic that mentions that DFSORT has a lower limit than the other product? We do have limits and I *believe* it

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Syncsort > DFsort migration

2023-08-28 Thread Schmitt, Michael
I think it was mentioned in this list previously that EQUALS in DFSORT has a lower limit on maximum number of records than SYNCSORT. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 10:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subje

Re: Syncsort > DFsort migration

2023-08-28 Thread Sri h Kolusu
>> Is this the behavior generally known in IT as a "stable" sort? I find no >> mention of stable sort in the DFSORT documentation. Gil, Yes, EQUALS parm which keeps the dup keys in the order and what some call it as "stable" sort. DFSORT documentation does not have the same "stable" definit

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
What do you think inspired this verse: Those folks at Sterling Forrest I envy not one bit, For every single PUT cycle they're certain to get hit; There' a way they could help themselves and fill my heart with glee: Take the damn JES2 change team and teach it SMP! Mañana, mañana, mañana is soon en

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Syncsort > DFsort migration

2023-08-28 Thread Pommier, Rex
Gil, I had to look up "stable sort" as I hadn't heard the term. Yes that is what EQUALS does in both DFSort and Syncsort. FYI, I searched the Syncsort programmer's manual and it doesn't mention "stable sort" either. :-) Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread Bill Johnson
My credentials are impeccable. And I don’t embellish mine like most LinkedIn accounts. Google it, fraudulent resumes are a big problem on LinkedIn. I’ve had no problem getting jobs over my 40+ years in IT. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 28, 2023, 10:13 AM, David Crayford

Re: Syncsort > DFsort migration

2023-08-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 15:11:05 +, Sri h Kolusu wrote: > >EQUALS is the parm which comes into picture when your input has duplicates on >the key, and you want to retain the order of the duplicates. OPTION EQUALS >specifies whether the original sequence of records that collate identically >for

Re: Fwd: Syncsort > DFsort migration

2023-08-28 Thread Sri h Kolusu
>> The only issue I ran into (this was years ago) was that if you use the PARM >> in Syncsort of “EQUAL” expect different output in DFSORT ED, EQUALS is the parm which comes into picture when your input has duplicates on the key, and you want to retain the order of the duplicates. OPTION EQUAL

Fwd: Syncsort > DFsort migration

2023-08-28 Thread Edward Gould
The only issue I ran into (this was years ago) was that if you use the PARM in Syncsort of “EQUAL” expect different output in DFSORT.. We did not run into this but a friend did. There are items in Syncsort that are different in DFSORT. Syncsort made the decision that some of the (I do not have a

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread Bill Johnson
Maybe I’m Jerzy! What’s this about Dave? “As with many other people who have been warned in the past, you will find yourself constantly looking over your shoulders for an undefined period of time. That is a promise, not a threat.” Regards,  David P. Crayford  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhon

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread David Crayford
> On 28 Aug 2023, at 10:21 pm, Bill Johnson > <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > And numerous banks have the setup necessary. JP Morgan (a REAL bank) spends > BILLIONS per year on IT. I hope so. They’re doing a PoC for one of our products at the moment. But they thin

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread Bill Johnson
LOL, there’s Crayfish making stupid comments again. The difference between me and Perryman is I tell the truth. IBM does offer multiple 9’s uptime. And numerous banks have the setup necessary. JP Morgan (a REAL bank) spends BILLIONS per year on IT.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday,

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread David Crayford
> On 28 Aug 2023, at 9:22 pm, David Spiegel > <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Hi David, > You said: "... he's been banging on ..." > This reminds me of a Yiddish expression that fits with this theme (and is > said to the "bang"er): Hack Mir Nisht Kain Chainik! > (In E

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread Bill Hitefield
We affectionately knew them as "JES2 maintenance: My crash course in IEBUPDTE." Bill Hitefield > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Jay Maynard > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 9:35 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: RPMs for installs and

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread Jay Maynard
Am I the only one who remembers JES2 level sets? On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 8:30 AM Allan Staller < 0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Classification: Confidential > > "You never see a PTF that is 1MB" > > JAVA SDK's ? > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discus

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential "You never see a PTF that is 1MB" JAVA SDK's ? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jon Perryman Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 8:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed fo

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread David Spiegel
Hi David, You said: "... he's been banging on ..." This reminds me of a Yiddish expression that fits with this theme (and is said to the "bang"er): Hack Mir Nisht Kain Chainik! (In English, Don't bang the tea kettle for me!  (i.e. stop blathering)) Regards, David On 2023-08-28 07:15, David Cra

Re: Setup Filezila for MF to PC transfers

2023-08-28 Thread Peter Vander Woude
Lizette, When setting up the site in site manager, click on the Advanced tab and set server type to MVS,OS/390, z/OS. Then specify the remote directory as your tso userid, in quotes. Peter On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 08:14:48 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: >Dearest List > > > >I am hoping someone

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-28 Thread David Crayford
On 27/8/2023 11:05 am, Tom Brennan wrote: A bigger problem is Jon says things like this with such conviction and authority that other people reading these posts, perhaps years from now, will think they are true. Don't engage with him! There's no point in debating with a troll. Lately, he's be