Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

On 21/05/2024 12:50 am, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: The only thing I still cannot do is to convince my students the z/OS<->PC data exchange is easy and well tooled. It will never be easy due to complications from EBCDIC and record structure. Even IBM frequently gets it wrong. There are new

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

On Tue, 21 May 2024 00:03:54 +, Farley, Peter wrote: > >However, caveat emptor – if your default TSO profile sets the PROFILE >parameter to your user ID, that “cd pds.library” command will fail because it >does not start with HLQ = your user ID. > IBM allows but discourages TSO prefix

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

” command will fail because it does not start with HLQ = your user ID. Peter From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 5:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT) That's what I do all the time, too ... a little more

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

That's what I do all the time, too ... a little more info: ftp /* mvs asks for user and password */ /* I am now at "USER01." ... if my TSO-ID is USER01 */ cd .. /* I am now at "" ... top level */ cd pds.library /* I get an answer like "pds.library is a partitioned data set" */ prompt ascii mget

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

On Mon, 20 May 2024 16:50:13 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >It is not matter of belief. I just performed a test. >FTP GUI from IBM, part of PCOMM. >Note, it is IBM. More: it is part of PCOMM. They know z/OS, etc. >1. I tried to move/copy some directory. >2. I tried to create a directory on host

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

And ordinary command line FTP. For example, Windows: prompt ascii quote site notrail mget * -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2024 11:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

It is not matter of belief. I just performed a test. FTP GUI from IBM, part of PCOMM. Note, it is IBM. More: it is part of PCOMM. They know z/OS, etc. 1. I tried to move/copy some directory. 2. I tried to create a directory on host side. In both case a PDS was created. I cannot choose RECFM,

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

I can't believe you put a GUI FTP client in a list of not-acceptable options. If that does not work for you, you are just too picky. Tony Thigpen Radoslaw Skorupka wrote on 5/19/24 3:07 PM: Which platform? ALL. That means Windows, Linux and Mac. We can omit OS/2 or VMS or DG-UX or QNX or etc.

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

Which platform? ALL. That means Windows, Linux and Mac. We can omit OS/2 or VMS or DG-UX or QNX or etc. Which codepages? All. Let's say all supported by z/OS when using FTP or iconv. FTP GUI clients? Yet another XMIT viewer? Both do not satisfy all the needs. Last but not least - nowadays it

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

You know, I don't think I have ever had to think about it. I just started using WS_FTP and it just worked. My C { braces } and [ brackets ] and my Rexx |. (I use \ for logical not.) Perhaps I have forgotten some issue. But I use WS_FTP across four systems, some of them relatively new to me, so

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:49:20 -0500, Brian Westerman wrote: >Bluezone FTP lets you copy the entire PDS to a directory on your PC and change >from EBCDIC to ASCII. I have been using it for years. > > What code page(s) does it support? How does it deal with characters not in the target character

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

Bluezone FTP lets you copy the entire PDS to a directory on your PC and change from EBCDIC to ASCII. I have been using it for years. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

, 2024 8:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT) I'm late to the party here so I'm not sure if what I quote below is the original query but unless I am missing something, most or all of the Windows graphical FTP clients will do that. FileZilla is free. WS_FTP

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

I'm late to the party here so I'm not sure if what I quote below is the original query but unless I am missing something, most or all of the Windows graphical FTP clients will do that. FileZilla is free. WS_FTP may be free for individual use. There may be others. They will graphically expand a

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

https://github.com/dmolony/Xmit by Dennis Molony, written in Java, so Windoze, Linux and Mac are supported, as are user-defined code-pages. Robert On Sat, 18 May 2024 at 21:37, Mike Schwab < 05962a42dc49-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Here's what is available. Please submit any

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

Here's what is available. Please submit any additions you may know. https://www.cbttape.org/xmitview.htm On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 4:32 PM Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:15:26 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > >... > >Yes, we

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:15:26 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >... >Yes, we have some freeware XMIT viewers, we have some homegrown REXX >scripts, etc. > for which desktop target platforms? >But it is continuous reinventing the wheel. >IMHO it is up to IBM to assign few folks for few weeks to

Re: ./ ADD - which utility? (RANT)

W dniu 14.04.2024 o 03:01, Michael Oujesky pisze: I really miss WSA and it's ability to take a text PDS and transfer all the members to Windows creating individual members in the target directory and doing the EBCDIC to ASCII translation for each member in the PDS. I'm really upset and I

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

I agree with you.None of the alternatives that I have tried are as fit for purpose as WSA. On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 16:13 Michael Oujesky wrote: > I really miss WSA and it's ability to take a text > PDS and transfer all the members to Windows > creating individual members in the target >

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

I really miss WSA and it's ability to take a text PDS and transfer all the members to Windows creating individual members in the target directory and doing the EBCDIC to ASCII translation for each member in the PDS. Michael At 05:34 PM 4/13/2024, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: I have some REXX

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 07:17:35 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >I guess when the utility was developed JCL was way simpler and test cases >were limited. > >After Gil raised the various gotchas, I wrote myself a PUTPDS program with >a user defined delimiter. Eschewing 2 bytes means I can come up with

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

I guess when the utility was developed JCL was way simpler and test cases were limited. After Gil raised the various gotchas, I wrote myself a PUTPDS program with a user defined delimiter. Eschewing 2 bytes means I can come up with a very random string such as !@#$%^&* ADD NAME=MEMBER. Not

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

In a single word, yes. And as has been stated, setting up "DLM=" requires, at times, a scan of just the first several bytes of each logical record to find what unique value(s) one can use. Steve Thompson On 4/15/2024 3:30 AM, wrote: Just curious. Have anyone had problem with this

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

Just curious. Have anyone had problem with this delimiter problem in real life with anything other than JCL in the inline input data? (I mean the alternative of a separate file seems to be a better/normal alternative unless the inline data is at the end of the member/ds.)

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

VSE JCL. First time I had to use it...Well all the DLBLS before the EXEC. Actually more logical. The O/S? We could run a production CICS region on a 1 MIP machine. That's tight. (and a Meg of main). On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 11:29 AM Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > If there are embedded ./ IEBUPDTE in

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

If there are embedded ./ IEBUPDTE in the JCL, I write a .# ADD card as the header and then use my PUTPDS REXX code. The odds of a .# ADD appearing I guesstimate as nil. Yes, it's annoying but really, who cares? On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:37 AM Paul Gilmartin <

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

JES2 also has /* commands, such as: /*JOBPARM /*MESSAGE /*NETACCT /*NOTIFY /*OUTPUT /*PRIORITY /*ROUTE etc. So I would imagine those look like comments to you. MVS has JCL so does VSE. Each of them has a "spooler" system (JES2|JES3 for MVS and POWER for DOS type systems last I did a

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 19:47:38 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote: >JES3 is not retarded. > I may have judged hastily from such as that the OUTPUT JCL statement came to JES2 before JES3. You could pay extra to not get the feature. >JES3 has this: >//*DATASET parameters. > >//*ENDDATASET > Those

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

JES3 is not retarded. JES3 has this: //*DATASET parameters. //*ENDDATASET This is what the z/OS MVS JCL REF has for the parameters: //*DATASET DDNAME=ddname[,parameter]... The parameters are:     MODE= {E}           {C}     J= {YES}    {NO }     CLASS= {NO }    {MSGCLASS}

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 18:06:01 +, Lennie Bradshaw wrote: >Paul Gilmartin said, >>> And no DLM is safe to use with instream XMIT output. << > >True. However, for any given stream there is ahigh likelihood of finding a 2 >char symbols that would work for that stream. I wrote a program to scan

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 at 14:06, Lennie Bradshaw wrote: > Paul Gilmartin said, > >> And no DLM is safe to use with instream XMIT output. << > > True. However, for any given stream there is ahigh likelihood of finding a > 2 char symbols that would work for that stream. I wrote a program to scan >

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

e years back. I've lost it now of course! Lennie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: 14 April 2024 14:04 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ./ ADD - which utility? On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 20:01:50 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: >Yo

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:48:02 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote: >In a JES2 environment, DLM= can be up to and including 8 >characters (JES3 is limited to 2, not sure of JES3+). > Why is JES3 so retarded? Useful features tend to be added to JES2 earlier than JES3. >In that case, what odds are there of

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

In a JES2 environment, DLM= can be up to and including 8 characters (JES3 is limited to 2, not sure of JES3+). In that case, what odds are there of coming up with a safe string? Just asking. Steve Thompson On 4/14/2024 9:04 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 20:01:50 -0500, Mike

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 09:35:00 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: >Hi Gil, >Please see PDSLOAD (CBT File 093). > This appears to be a companion to OFFLOAD: which says: ... If the program detects IEBUPDTE control cards in the member of

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

Hi Gil, Please see PDSLOAD (CBT File 093). Regards, David On 2024-04-14 09:04, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 20:01:50 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: You can set it up for a //SYSIN DD DATA,DLM='??' and add the '??' Card at the end. That's not enough. If the input PDS contains a

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 20:01:50 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: >You can set it up for a //SYSIN DD DATA,DLM='??' and add the >'??' >Card at the end. > That's not enough. If the input PDS contains a member with a line beginning with "./", which

Re: Sv: ./ ADD - which utility?

Thanks, I found the JCL and run the jobs successfully. (I had several large files with ./ ADD and the data stacked after, it was one file per PDS. Had I thought I really would need them I had made smaller files and the JCL separate.)

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You can set it up for a //SYSIN DD DATA,DLM='??' and add the '??' Card at the end. On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 6:52 PM Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 08:34:30 +1000, Wayne

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 08:34:30 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >I have some REXX code that extracts all members of a PDS and writes it to a >sequential file. Each member extracted is prefixed with the ./ADD card with >the original member name. Handy for moving a PDS to another system. >IEBUPDTE was

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

Not to be confused with I-E-B-pitty-patch (IEBPTPCH). rh On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 4:56 PM Rupert Reynolds wrote: > Affectionately known in UK as I-E-B-up-ditty :-) > > On Sat, 13 Apr 2024, 15:39 ITschak Mugzach, < > 05a7ced721d8-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > IEBUPDTE. JCL can

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

I have some REXX code that extracts all members of a PDS and writes it to a sequential file. Each member extracted is prefixed with the ./ADD card with the original member name. Handy for moving a PDS to another system. IEBUPDTE was the utility of choice when all we had was a card punch and card

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No relation to the ditty bops band. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu7289s7l64 On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 4:56 PM Rupert Reynolds wrote: > > Affectionately known in UK as I-E-B-up-ditty :-) > > On Sat, 13 Apr 2024, 15:39 ITschak Mugzach, < > 05a7ced721d8-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

Affectionately known in UK as I-E-B-up-ditty :-) On Sat, 13 Apr 2024, 15:39 ITschak Mugzach, < 05a7ced721d8-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > IEBUPDTE. JCL can be found in google > > ITschak Mugzach > *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring > for z/OS,

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

Thank you all for the help. Next thing will be to fix the 30 second response time in the emulator (passport) for every other interaction (e g enter or pf). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 09:30:15 -0500, wrote: >Which utility do you use for control statement/input: >./ ADD > That question needs a lot of context; perhaps an example. What are you trying to do? >A jcl for that would be nice too. > Many people wish for some editing capability in the JCL

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@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ./ ADD - which utility? IEBUPDTE. JCL can be found in google ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for z/OS, x/Linux & IBM I **| z/VM coming soon * On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 5:30 PM < 0619bfe39560-dma

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: ./ ADD - which utility? IEBUPDTE. JCL can be found in google ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for z/OS, x/Linux & IBM I **| z/VM coming soon * On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 5:30 PM < 0619bfe39560-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu

Re: ./ ADD - which utility?

IEBUPDTE. JCL can be found in google ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for z/OS, x/Linux & IBM I **| z/VM coming soon * On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 5:30 PM < 0619bfe39560-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Which utility do you

./ ADD - which utility?

Which utility do you use for control statement/input: ./ ADD A jcl for that would be nice too. ...Embarassed by my lack of memory after 8 years out of this envirinment... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access