Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-20 Thread Paul Schuster
I have a hard-copy of Dwight McCann’s 1988 SHARE presentation entitled ‘3270 DATASTREAMS FOR USE WITH THE CMS CONSOLE MACRO’. Don’t know if it is available online. So if you have access to VM, the CONSOLE macro is in DMSGPI MACLIB S2, and is documented in the CMS manuals “CMS Macros and Fu

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-18 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of David Spiegel > > Sent: 18 August 2024 02:41 > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: 3270 programming > > > > HI Lennie, > > The "P" in ISPF was changed to "Productivity" (from

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-18 Thread David Spiegel
frame Discussion List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: 18 August 2024 02:41 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming HI Lennie, The "P" in ISPF was changed to "Productivity" (from "Programming"). I was still in university and had no clue what "FD

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-18 Thread Lennie Bradshaw
Spiegel Sent: 18 August 2024 02:41 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming HI Lennie, The "P" in ISPF was changed to "Productivity" (from "Programming"). I was still in university and had no clue what "FDP" meant. Regards, David On 2024-08-

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:33:41 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: >Hi Lennie, >"... (in the late 1970s) I wrote some program for TSO using 3270 >protocols. This was in the days before ISPF ..." >I Used ISPF's predecessor in the late '70s. (It was called SPF -- >Structured Programming Facility). > In that e

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-17 Thread David Spiegel
Sent: 16 August 2024 17:34 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming Hi Lennie, "... (in the late 1970s) I wrote some program for TSO using 3270 protocols. This was in the days before ISPF ..." I Used ISPF's predecessor in the late '70s. (It was called SPF -- Structured

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-16 Thread Lennie Bradshaw
Discussion List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: 16 August 2024 17:34 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming Hi Lennie, "... (in the late 1970s) I wrote some program for TSO using 3270 protocols. This was in the days before ISPF ..." I Used ISPF's predecessor i

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-16 Thread Larry Chenevert
eful. Many thanks to all who contributed. I will try and butt out now. Lennie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: 16 August 2024 12:56 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming I would start with RFC 2355, TN

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-16 Thread rpinion865
eally useful. > > > > Many thanks to all who contributed. I will try and butt out now. > > Lennie > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion listibm-m...@listserv.ua.edu On Behalf Of > > Seymour J Metz > > Sent: 16 Augu

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-16 Thread David Spiegel
he website that Sebastian found was really useful. Many thanks to all who contributed. I will try and butt out now. Lennie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: 16 August 2024 12:56 To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming I

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Robert Prins <05be6ef5bfea-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2024 1:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming This

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-16 Thread Robert Prins
any thanks to all who contributed. I will try and butt out now. > Lennie > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: 16 August 2024 12:56 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: 3270 programming &g

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lennie Bradshaw Sent: Friday, August 16, 2024 9:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming Seymour, That is interesting. I was unaware the protocol had been externalised from IBM. I guess this absolves them of the responsibility of

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-16 Thread Jay Maynard
cumented. > Hence my questions. > > The website that Sebastian found was really useful. > > Many thanks to all who contributed. I will try and butt out now. > Lennie > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Seymour J Metz >

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-16 Thread Lennie Bradshaw
that Sebastian found was really useful. Many thanks to all who contributed. I will try and butt out now. Lennie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: 16 August 2024 12:56 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming I would

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
behalf of Mike Schwab <05962a42dc49-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2024 11:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos-basic-skills?topic=terminal-3270-data-stream Specifically listed but no link, On Thu, Aug

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-16 Thread Dave Wade
On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 02:22:04 -0500, Sebastian Welton wrote: >Lennie, > this came up for me a few weeks back searching for something else > but might be of interest: > >https://tommysprinkle.com/mvs/P3270/index.htm > >Sebastian. > I was a bit surprised this site didn't come up earlier

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-16 Thread Sebastian Welton
Lennie, this came up for me a few weeks back searching for something else but might be of interest: https://tommysprinkle.com/mvs/P3270/index.htm Sebastian. On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:49:34 +, Lennie Bradshaw wrote: >Years back there used to be a manual which described how to prog

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Tom Brennan
PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming I don't think TN3270/TN3270E protocols are related to this manual. They're basically just a layer used to pass the binary 3270 data stream back and forth. But Lennie has a good point. I have a printed copy -05 from 1990 and it&#

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
: Thursday, August 15, 2024 8:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming I don't think TN3270/TN3270E protocols are related to this manual. They're basically just a layer used to pass the binary 3270 data stream back and forth. But Lennie has a good point. I have a printe

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
ׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lennie Bradshaw Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2024 8:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming So if the protocol is still supported,

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:12:35 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: >https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos-basic-skills?topic=terminal-3270-data-stream >Specifically listed but no link, > is it here: -- gil

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Mike Schwab
programming interface, why is there no *current* manual available from IBM > > documenting it? > > > > Lennie > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > > Jay Maynard > > Sent: 15 August 2024 23:02

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:30:15 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >Might be useful to know what OP wants to do. There are things like the >IND$FILE protocol that aren't documented, or barely; IIRC, the best doc on >that one is hiding in the PC3270 book. But it was 30+ years ago, from the >Relay/Gold d

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Phil Smith III
Might be useful to know what OP wants to do. There are things like the IND$FILE protocol that aren't documented, or barely; IIRC, the best doc on that one is hiding in the PC3270 book. But it was 30+ years ago, from the Relay/Gold days, and I could be misremembering. *Something* to do with 3270s

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Tom Brennan
Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jay Maynard Sent: 15 August 2024 23:02 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming I think IBM still supports 3270 access, if not the 3270s themselves. But if the data stream hasn't changed since the -7 manual was publ

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Ken Bloom
Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jay Maynard Sent: 15 August 2024 23:02 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming I think IBM still supports 3270 access, if not the 3270s themselves. But if the data stream hasn't changed since the -7 man

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Lennie Bradshaw
: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming I think IBM still supports 3270 access, if not the 3270s themselves. But if the data stream hasn't changed since the -7 manual was published, there's no need for an update... On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 4:54 PM Paul Gilmartin < 000

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Tom Harper
Only in a way have there been no updates. There are extensions to the basic 3270 days streams for various devices, such as the 3290 and controllers such as the 3174. Tom Harper Phoenix Software International Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2024, at 6:01 PM, Jay Maynard > <05997213d6

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread W Mainframe
Hi If you want to play with 3270 datastream, try my tool available at cbttape... https://www.cbttape.org/ftp/cbt/CBT780.zip  You will be able to build 3270 datastream in a Rexx code...  RegardsDan Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, August 15, 2024, 7:02 PM, Jay Maynard <05997213

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Jay Maynard
I think IBM still supports 3270 access, if not the 3270s themselves. But if the data stream hasn't changed since the -7 manual was published, there's no need for an update... On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 4:54 PM Paul Gilmartin < 042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Thu, 15 Aug

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:16:15 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: >There have been no updates. > Does IBM continue to support the device? If not, there's little business case to provide user's manuals. Regardless, some documentation is necessary as long as IBM products depend on 3270 data streams. -- gi

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Rupert Reynolds
I see my memory is working again--I remember "3270 Data Stream" in the title and someone has named that. I also vaguely remember getting a few useful clues from the TSO/E Guide to writing a TMP (Terminal Monitor Program) but I can't remember what they were, after all these years. Roops On Thu,

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Sri Hari Kolusu
>> Can you please send me -07? David, All the versions of the manual are on Bitsavers GA23-0059-07 (1992-06 IBM 3270 Information Display System Data Stream Programmer's Reference) https://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/3270/GA23-0059-07_3270_Data_Stream_Programmers_Reference_199206.pdf GA23-0059-4 (19

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread David Spiegel
Hi David, Can you please send me -07? My email address is da...@ddstar.com Thanks and regards, David On 2024-08-15 15:25, David Cole wrote: I have a -07 of that manual. I'll send it to you privately. At 03:54 PM 8/15/2024 +, Alexander Huemer wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 03:49:34PM +000

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Mike Schwab
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > David Cole > Sent: 15 August 2024 20:26 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: 3270 programming > > I have a -07 of that manual. I'll send it to you privately. > > > At 03:54

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Lennie Bradshaw
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 programming I have a -07 of that manual. I'll send it to you privately. At 03:54 PM 8/15/2024 +, Alexander Huemer wrote: >On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 03:49:34PM +, Lennie Bradshaw wrote: >> Years back there used to be a manual which described

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread David Cole
I have a -07 of that manual. I'll send it to you privately. At 03:54 PM 8/15/2024 +, Alexander Huemer wrote: >On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 03:49:34PM +, Lennie Bradshaw wrote: >> Years back there used to be a manual which described how to program to >the 3270 standards. It contained the value

Re: 3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Alexander Huemer
On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 03:49:34PM +, Lennie Bradshaw wrote: > Years back there used to be a manual which described how to program to the > 3270 standards. It contained the values and definitions of fields such as, > Start Field, > Attribute byte, > Write control character, >and so on. > I

3270 programming

2024-08-15 Thread Lennie Bradshaw
Years back there used to be a manual which described how to program to the 3270 standards. It contained the values and definitions of fields such as, Start Field, Attribute byte, Write control character, and so on. I think this was called something like "IBM 3270 Component reference". Do IBM st