Re: Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-10 Thread R.S.
Just to complement: RACF, TSS and ACF2 were not the only choice. Here, in Poland many installation had been using polish security product called PIES (eng. DOG). Now, AFAIK there is (still) one small TSS shop, all the rest use RACF. Few years ago I saw some announcement of DEADBOLT, product

Re: Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-10 Thread Ted MacNEIL
There are a couple of shops in Toronto that use it. It was developed by a couple of. CROWN TECH/DATACROWN ex-employees. - -teD -   Original Message   From: Shane Ginnane Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 14:52 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re:

Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-09 Thread Steve Harner
I am interested in determining/clarifying what the current market share breakdown is for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret. In his 5/24/12 interview with Jeffrey R. Yost, Ph.D. (conservancy.umn.edu/bitstream/handle/11299/132470/oh404bs.pdf), Barry Schrager

Re: Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-09 Thread Thomas Conley
On 9/9/2015 9:57 AM, Steve Harner wrote: I am interested in determining/clarifying what the current market share breakdown is for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret. In his 5/24/12 interview with Jeffrey R. Yost, Ph.D.

Re: Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-09 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 08:47:27 -0500, Steve Harner wrote: >(a) When SKK was sold in 1986, ACF2 had a 60% market share while IBM’s RACF >and CA’s Top Secret split the other 40%; and (b) Currently , RACF has 75% >market share while ACF2 and Top Secret from CA share the other

Re: Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-09 Thread Steve Conway
Hi, Shane. I've seen and used Top Secret at government, military, and very large financial service organizations. No idea of the numbers, of course. Cheers,,,Steve Steven F. Conway AO-DTS- CTHO-HSD INFRASTRUCTURE (INFR) z/OS Systems Support Phone: 703-295-1926 Mobile: 304-995-7360

Re: Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-09 Thread Charles Mills
Yes, we have customers running TSS. I could (but won't LOL) name a very large bank. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shane Ginnane Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 8:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-09 Thread Scott Ford
Yeah I think our numbers are larger on RACF and yes we have some large TSS shops as well as RACF On Wednesday, September 9, 2015, Rob Schramm wrote: > I think the numbers would need one more delineation. My understanding is > that TS is also in a lot of z/VSE. Which

Re: Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-09 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 20:40:49 +0300, Itschak Mugzach wrote: >The market is is split between TSS & RACF. I know of only one ACF2 site, >but they droped the mainframe... Interesting - as I said I have never seen TSS in any shop in Aus. Just never got a foothold here. That

Re: Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-09 Thread Timothy Sipples
Tony Harminc wrote: >Only IBM is in a position to truly know the market share, because only >they know exactly how many z/OS systems are out there. Not truly, not exactly. IBM's omnipotence is routinely overestimated. ;) IBM presumably knows how many z/OS licensees(*) are licensing the z/OS

Re: Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-09 Thread Itschak Mugzach
No surprise. I've done such RACF to TSS conversion myself due to a bank merge with our own tools. TSS is much more detailed in control and more protective, but RACF is much more simpler to use and configure and use SAF in a more standard way. The market is is split between TSS & RACF. I know of

Re: Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-09 Thread Rob Schramm
I think the numbers would need one more delineation. My understanding is that TS is also in a lot of z/VSE. Which changes the results for the question "how many mainframe installations of TS are there?" Of course if you add in z/VM, it might change things again. I was under the impression that

Re: Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-09 Thread Gross, Randall [PRI-1PP]
I know of two extremely large US banks that use it. Both have RACF & T/S; at least one is (or was) in the throes of converting RACF to T/S. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, September 09,

Re: Current market share breakdown for EACH of the three z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret

2015-09-09 Thread Tony Harminc
On 9 September 2015 at 09:47, Steve Harner wrote: > I am interested in determining/clarifying what the current market share > breakdown is for EACH of the three > z/OS ESM products: RACF, CA-ACF2 and CA-Top Secret. Only IBM is in a position to truly know the market share,