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Never put off till run-time what you can do at compile-time. -- D. Gries -- This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you? Maranatha! <>< John McKown -

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On 28/06/2013 9:52 PM, John McKown wrote: Never put off till run-time what you can do at compile-time. -- D. Gries Careful! There are quite a few assembler programmers frequent this list! However, it does seem that the hipsters are writing code in dynamically typed languages these days. May

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I'm becoming quite conversant with JavaScript in Firefox, Chrome, and I.E. . Especially to implement some AJAX scripts which do reports on events reported via the z/OS HTTP server into z/OS UNIX syslogd log files. I've written a web based "RACF User Administration" system using AJAX for the securit

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In <51cd9a6b.7030...@gmail.com>, on 06/28/2013 at 10:15 PM, David Crayford said: >On 28/06/2013 9:52 PM, John McKown wrote: >> Never put off till run-time what you can do at compile-time. -- D. Gries Never bind prematurely -- S. Metz >Careful! There are quite a few assembler programmers freq

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I've been using node.js for a while now and seriously love it. Writing web apps has never been easier. Web sockets are cool and a snack with socket.io and express. I looked at porting V8 to z/OS but its a lot of work. Lua has an almost identical feature set to JavaScript and was dirt easy to po

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I am drooling over the thought you might be able to share that lua stuff. Learning it has now gone to the top of the list. On Jun 28, 2013 6:19 PM, "David Crayford" wrote: > I've been using node.js for a while now and seriously love it. Writing web > apps has never been easier. Web sockets are co

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On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:19:12 +0800, David Crayford wrote: > ...I've come to the conclusion that REXX is a dog. And seriously underpowered > for modern use cases > ... Poor old EXECIO has never looked more pathetic. And I thought Dave was quicker on the up-take than that ;-) But his recomm

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On 29/06/2013, at 10:00 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:19:12 +0800, David Crayford wrote: > >> ...I've come to the conclusion that REXX is a dog. And seriously >> underpowered for modern use cases >> ... Poor old EXECIO has never looked more pathetic. > > And I thought Dave

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Oh noes, not another language! http://hammerprinciple.com/therighttool/items/forth/lua Go Forth and multiply comes to mind. On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:02 PM, David Crayford wrote: > On 29/06/2013, at 10:00 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: > >> On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:19:12 +0800, David Crayford wrot

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On 29/06/2013 11:28 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Oh noes, not another language! I think YASL is the term your looking for Wayne. Having said that, how many scripting languages do we have on z/OS? REXX, CLIST, perl or propriety vendor languages like NCL etc. How many of them can do mundane tas

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44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: David Crayford To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 06/29/2013 03:32 AM Subject: Re: Great quote on http

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uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: David Crayford To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 06/29/2013 05:05 AM Subject: Re: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequentl

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David Crayford To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 06/29/2013 05:05 AM Subject: Re: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently) Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List On 29/06/2013 11:28 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Oh noes, not another language! I think YASL i

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Indeed. I basically gave up on REXX, particularly for text processing, ages ago. Even for my RMF reports it's easier to ftp (via hipersockets) down to zLinux and use awk or perl to reformat them as I want, then ftp them back. Cheap MIPS/MSUs too. Must admit I do little scripting in z/OS these day

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s://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: David Crayford To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 06/29/2013 01:22 PM Subject: Re: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently) Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List On 29/06/2013 6:39 PM, Mart

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We wrote a lightweight XML parser in ANSI C already 2001, that is callable from C, C++, COBOL, PL/1, ASSEMBLER, ... runs native on z/OS and many other platforms, has a very fast and effective (and secure) storage management, which can be configured so that it uses other site-specific storage manag

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Re: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently)

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Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: David Crayford To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 06/29/2013 01:22 PM Subject:Re: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently) Sent by:IBM Mainframe

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rwise - appearing on z/OS. For one, it makes it more fun. For two, it >>>>> means useful packages can be ported. >>>>> >>>>> Would dearly love to see PHP, node.js, Python etc ported and supported on >>>>> z/OS. If I didn't have a job I

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In , on 06/29/2013 at 03:17 PM, Martin Packer said: >Would dearly love to see PHP, Be careful what you ask for - you might get it. There are cleaner languages. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 We don't care. We don't have to

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In <1427790225797888.wa.ibmmaintpg.com...@listserv.ua.edu>, on 06/28/2013 at 09:00 PM, Shane Ginnane said: >Lua - yet another "language" to maybe have a look at. All I know about it is that wiki is using it. Anybody have a link? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2

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mail: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Shane Ginnane To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 06/29/2013 03:00 AM Subject: Re: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes fr

Re: EXECIO - Was: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently)

On 6/29/2013 5:16 AM, David Crayford wrote: On 29/06/2013 6:39 PM, Martin Packer wrote: As EXECIO got mentioned... In the Munich System z Technical University conference 2 weeks ago Marna Walle mentioned that in z/OS 2.1 EXECIO is previewed to perform I/O to VBS (as in "Spanned" :-) ) data s

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On 29/06/2013 11:15 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 6/29/2013 5:16 AM, David Crayford wrote: On 29/06/2013 6:39 PM, Martin Packer wrote: As EXECIO got mentioned... In the Munich System z Technical University conference 2 weeks ago Marna Walle mentioned that in z/OS 2.1 EXECIO is previewed to perform I

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On 6/29/2013 9:38 PM, David Crayford wrote: It's good that they accepted the requirement. Reading between the lines they're saying "We think it's a good requirement. We want to do it, but we probably won't. At least not anytime soon". I have been looking at SHARE requirements for many years an

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On 30/06/2013 2:03 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 6/29/2013 9:38 PM, David Crayford wrote: It's good that they accepted the requirement. Reading between the lines they're saying "We think it's a good requirement. We want to do it, but we probably won't. At least not anytime soon". I have been looking

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On 6/29/2013 11:17 PM, David Crayford wrote: Thanks. Maybe I was confused by the last sentence "This is not a commitment to deliver the code, but if we do it it would be a line item and would take a few years before it can be delivered". A line item means it would show up only on a release

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On 30/06/2013 2:25 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 6/29/2013 11:17 PM, David Crayford wrote: Thanks. Maybe I was confused by the last sentence "This is not a commitment to deliver the code, but if we do it it would be a line item and would take a few years before it can be delivered". A line item m

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Ed, I am reading through this thread and i am confused . What did the IBM announcement say about z/OS EXECIO ? I see they are talking about VBS ..was tat the total announcement or did I miss something ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On

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In , on 06/29/2013 at 11:39 AM, Martin Packer said: >In the Munich System z Technical University conference 2 weeks ago >Marna Walle mentioned that in z/OS 2.1 EXECIO is previewed to >perform I/O to VBS (as in "Spanned" :-) ) data sets. Have they added the language enhancements in OOREXX,

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AIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: EXECIO - Was: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently) Ed, I am reading through this thread and i am confused . What did the IBM announcement say about z/OS EXECIO ? I see they are talking about VBS ..was tat the total announcement or did I miss someth

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Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:16 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: EXECIO - Was: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes > frequently) > > Ed, > > I am reading through this thread and i am confused . What did the IBM > announcement say about z/OS EXECIO

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? EXECIO isn't part of Rexx... On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) < shmuel+...@patriot.net> wrote: > In > , > on 06/29/2013 >at 11:39 AM, Martin Packer said: > > >In the Munich System z Technical University conference 2 weeks ago > >Marna Walle mentioned that in z/OS

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On 6/30/2013 12:17 PM, Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote: In , on 06/29/2013 at 11:39 AM, Martin Packer said: In the Munich System z Technical University conference 2 weeks ago Marna Walle mentioned that in z/OS 2.1 EXECIO is previewed to perform I/O to VBS (as in "Spanned" :-) ) data sets

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Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: EXECIO - Was: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently) On 29/06/2013 6:39 PM, Martin Packer wrote: > As EXECIO got mentioned... > > In the Munich System z Technical University conference 2

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On Sun, 30 Jun 2013 09:25:03 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > >Have they added the language enhancements in OOREXX, or at least those >in the ANSI standard? > What are the enhancements in the ANSI standard? On Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:16:21 -0400, Scott Ford wrote: > >I am reading through thi

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It's hard to extend REXX. I wrote a regular expression package that wraps the C++ TR1 regex engine that came along in z/OS V1.10. The REXX interface is pretty much written for assembler clients. It would be more useful if it handled LE like ISPF now does in BRIF/EDIF etc. I had to write a CEEPI

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On 1/07/2013 1:25 AM, Thomas Conley wrote: On 6/30/2013 12:17 PM, Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote: In , on 06/29/2013 at 11:39 AM, Martin Packer said: In the Munich System z Technical University conference 2 weeks ago Marna Walle mentioned that in z/OS 2.1 EXECIO is previewed to perform I

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David, Seems awful slow box you are on. Is this a z Box? Why have a DO UNTIL when "EXECIO 5000 DISKR INPUT ( STEM REC. FINIS" is all that's needed? Your REXX code was 1-2 elapsed seconds on my box. No need for the second EXECIO Cowlishaw BENCH: - REXXCPS 2.1 -- MEASURING REXX CLAUSE

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David, My bad, you must have a huge file here, reading 5000 at a time. Hmm, slow as... On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:51 PM, David Crayford wrote: > On 1/07/2013 1:25 AM, Thomas Conley wrote: >> >> On 6/30/2013 12:17 PM, Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote: >>> >>> In >>> , >>> on 06/29/2013 >>> at 11:

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On 1/07/2013 2:38 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: David, My bad, you must have a huge file here, reading 5000 at a time. Hmm, slow as... No worries Wayne. You always were a tad trigger happy m8 ;) FWIW, we have a shiny new z114 with 3 engines (1 zIIP). Storage is a FICON attached IBM SAN. A more

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On Mon, 1 Jul 2013 15:44:49 +0930, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > >Why have a DO UNTIL when "EXECIO 5000 DISKR INPUT ( STEM REC. FINIS" > is all that's needed? > Perhaps because outside a test case he's unable to anticipate the size of his data set? -- gil ---

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In <2972359222388556.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 06/30/2013 at 09:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: >What are the enhancements in the ANSI standard? Among other things, stream I/O, enhancements to address. Oddly enough, z/OS supports stream I/O in the Unix shell but not in the TSO

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It's an old REXX performance hack to mitigate the call/parsing call overhead of EXECIO to scale better for large data sets. You have to tune the number of reads because the overhead of storage allocation in REXX may be the bottleneck. There's a sweet spot. On 1/07/2013 9:12 PM, Paul Gilmartin w

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On Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:25:37 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >In <2972359222388556.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on >06/30/2013 > at 09:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: > >>What are the enhancements in the ANSI standard? > >Among other things, stream I/O, enhancements to address. >

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yford >Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:16 AM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: EXECIO - Was: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes >frequently) > >On 29/06/2013 6:39 PM, Martin Packer wrote: >> As EXECIO got mentioned... >> >> In the Munich System z T

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-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: EXECIO - Was: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently) On Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:25:37 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >In <2972359222388556.wa.paul

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In <5926894443011344.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 07/01/2013 at 08:48 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Which enhancements to "address"? E.g., trapping the output without an add-in like RXQUEUE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2

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on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently) In <5926894443011344.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 07/01/2013   at 08:48 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Which enhancements to "address"? E.g., trapping the output without an add-in like RXQUEUE. --     Shmuel (Seymou

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In <985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c2319906...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com>, on 07/01/2013 at 12:34 PM, "Farley, Peter x23353" said: >Implementation of standards is only useful if the feature is really >needed. I can't think of a reason for needing NOTREADY with classic >datasets on z/OS when

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A.EDU] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 5:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: EXECIO - Was: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes frequently) In <985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c2319906...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com>, on 07/01/2013

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In <1372711817.27664.yahoomail...@web126205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, on 07/01/2013 at 01:50 PM, Scott Ford said: >Actually RXQUEUE on ooREXX works great on Windoze and Linux It works fine on OS/2 as well, but the ANSI mechanism is cleaner. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT

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In <985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c23199bd...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com>, on 07/01/2013 at 05:23 PM, "Farley, Peter x23353" said: >OK, I can see that as a reason. Personally I would prefer an >explicit test in the code to a remotely-specified out-of-code-body >jump, Or subroutine call. -