Having the mainframe on YouTube

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Hacking? CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity Original message From: Neale Ferguson Date: 09/28/2015 10:59 AM (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Having the mainframe on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5AG59Y1_EY

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Charles Mills wrote: Hacking? In the Free Software community, "hacking" means programming for the joy of it. Not breaking in. That's the media. When you say "goodbye" to Richard M. Stallman, he responds, "Happy hacking!" -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge.

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Neale Ferguson wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5AG59Y1_EY > Great presentation, describing the same experience all us Unix free software guys all have meeting the mainframe. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a w

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Jack J. Woehr wrote: > Neale Ferguson wrote: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5AG59Y1_EY >> > Great presentation, describing the same experience all us Unix free software > guys all have meeting the mainframe. > Though I do hope IBM was there, because the last part is about how to crack into z

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09/28/2015 12:03 PM (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Having the mainframe on YouTube Charles Mills wrote: >  > Hacking? > In the Free Software community, "hacking" means programming for the joy of it. Not breaking in. That's the media. When

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Charles Mills wrote: Right. I know the original (true?) meaning of hack. I was questioning whether "having" in the subject line should not perhaps be "hacking. " excooz, me dull today :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thi

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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 13:09:27 -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: >us Unix free software guys Unix is not free software. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv

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While the low-cost software community would like you to think ' "hacking" means programming for the joy of it.' in fact its meaning in English, according to the OED, is quite the opposite and that which is generally accepted by the public: hack, v.3 [f. hack n.3] 1.1 trans. To make a hack of

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>>> On 9/29/2015 at 03:09 PM, Jon Butler wrote: > While the low-cost software community would like you to think ' "hacking" > means programming for the joy of it.' in fact its meaning in English, > according to the OED, is quite the opposite and that which is generally > accepted by the public

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Tom Marchant wrote: >Unix is not free software. UNIX® is sometimes free, at least in the colloquial sense of the word. Mac OS X, for example, is UNIX® (and Open Group certified), and it's available free of charge from Apple to everyone who has a compatible Macintosh computer.

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On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: > Tom Marchant wrote: > >Unix is not free software. > > UNIX® is sometimes free, at least in the colloquial sense of the word. Mac > OS X, for example, is UNIX® (and Open Group certified), and it's available > free of charge from Apple to e

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The last three releases of MacOS, including today's release of 10.11 have been free. Mark Jacobs John McKown September 30, 2015 at 10:52 AM On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: Tom Marchant wrote: Unix is not free software. UNIX® is

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On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:55:33 -0400, Mark Jacobs - Listserv wrote: >The last three releases of MacOS, including today's release of 10.11 >have been free. > Which may be irrelevant because sooner or later they impel hardware upgrades which aren't free. -- gil -

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LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 10:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Having the mainframe on YouTube On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: > Tom Marchant wrote: > >Unix is not free software. > > UNIX®

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: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs - Listserv Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 10:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Having the mainframe on YouTube The last three releases of MacOS, including today's release of 10.11 have

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On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Mark Jacobs - Listserv < mark.jac...@custserv.com> wrote: > The last three releases of MacOS, including today's release of 10.11 have > been free. > ​Strange. I guess Apple hates me. The last time I upgraded, which I cannot any more due to "obsolete hardware", I h

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Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Which may be irrelevant because sooner or later they impel hardware >upgrades which aren't free. Sure, but that's a universal truth. All operating systems that evolve eventually stop supporting older processors. Linux kernels 3.8 and above no longer support Intel 80386 (and

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On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 13:24:00 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: >Tom Marchant wrote: >>Unix is not free software. > >UNIX=AE is sometimes free, at least in the colloquial sense of the word. Mac >OS X, for example, is UNIX=AE (and Open Group certified), and it's available >free of charge from Apple to e

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>>> On 10/1/2015 at 11:28 AM, Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Aside from that, the free software movement is not about price, but freedom. > In English, the word "Free" has different meanings. One of those has to do > with cost. Another is about freedom.

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On 15Oct01:0945-0600, Mark Post wrote: > And just as an aside, I'm intrigued that at least > one other person besides myself and John McKown knows > about and understands the concept and is willing to > espouse it. (I actually am more of an Open Source > person than Free Software, but that's not

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On 15Oct01:1618+, David L. Craig wrote: > On 15Oct01:0945-0600, Mark Post wrote: > > > And just as an aside, I'm intrigued that at least > > one other person besides myself and John McKown knows > > about and understands the concept and is willing to > > espouse it. (I actually am more of an

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David L. Craig wrote: As a matter of fact, I learned about RMS and his crusade on VMSHARE, The original open source software guy was ... Chuck Moore (FORTH). He decided about 1969 that all software should be distributed in source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_H._Moore -- Jack J. Woeh

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Mark Post wrote: Which is why some people have taken to calling it Free/Libre, since French, among other languages distinguish the two. And just as an aside, I'm intrigued that at least one other person besides myself and John McKown knows about and understands the concept and is willing to e

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Tom Brennan wrote: And I'm one of the people who doesn't yet understand the Gratis/Libre concept. Once you make your "free speech" source available, that's the same as "free beer" for software, unless you're in a parallel universe where everyone follows rules. Have you looked at the price of

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Jack J. Woehr wrote: Have you looked at the price of RedHat stock lately? There's plenty of money in free: you charge for support! I certainly agree! But I'm not sure it's related (unless that's the point I'm missing). So let's say you give me source code (free speech) and I compile it and

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Tom Brennan wrote: So let's say you give me source code (free speech) and I compile it and use it (free beer), without needing your help because you wrote it so well. Didn't I just get beer for free? There's no COGS so it doesn't matter, as long as enough parties /do/ need support to keep

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On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Tom Brennan wrote: > Jack J. Woehr wrote: > >> Have you looked at the price of RedHat stock lately? There's plenty of >> money in free: you charge for support! >> > > I certainly agree! But I'm not sure it's related (unless that's the point > I'm missing). So let

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>>> On 10/1/2015 at 02:58 PM, Tom Brennan wrote: > Jack J. Woehr wrote: >> Have you looked at the price of RedHat stock lately? There's plenty of >> money in free: you charge for support! > > I certainly agree! But I'm not sure it's related (unless that's the > point I'm missing). So let's s

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:36:49 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: >I'm one of the people who doesn't yet understand the Gratis/Libre >concept. Once you make your "free speech" source available, that's the >same as "free beer" for software, unless you're in a parallel universe >where everyone follows rules.

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:45:35 -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: >The original open source software guy was ... Chuck Moore (FORTH). > >He decided about 1969 that all software should be distributed in source. Wasn't SHARE doing that in 1955? And I'm sure that they weren't the first. -- Tom Marchant ---

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sage- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 5:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Having the mainframe on YouTube On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:45:35 -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: >The original open source

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Charles Mills wrote: Wasn't the CBT the original open source shareware? Digressing further & for extra credit: Who recalls who described the future burden of legacy software writing in the 1940's before digital binary computers? -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowle

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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:16:04 -0500, Tim Lost wrote: >There is a Free Unix, its called Free BSD but due to legal reasons they >can't call it Unix. Good point. I stand corrected. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signof

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In <560d4cb9026d001a0...@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>, on 10/01/2015 at 01:09 PM, Mark Post said: >BUT, no one can take away the _freedom_ you have to use that software >in any way you want. The license just trades one set of restrictions for another; you are not free to markeyna modified ve

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In <053001d0fd20$6f7f0300$4e7d0900$@mcn.org>, on 10/02/2015 at 07:41 AM, Charles Mills said: >Wasn't the CBT the original open source shareware? The CBT tape wasn'r shareware and it wasn't the original open source. Open source was the norm in the 1950's and 1960's. -- Shmuel (Seymour

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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:36:07 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Yes, and of course Linux and GNU are also free UNIX, >Linux and GNU and Free BSD do (almost I suppose) everything UNIX does... If you mean that Linux with GNU is (very much like) Unix, yes. If you mean that Linux and GNU are both (very m

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nt: Friday, October 02, 2015 7:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Having the mainframe on YouTube On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:45:35 -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: >The original open source software guy was ... Chuck Moore (FORTH). > >He decided about 1969 that all software should be di

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- From: Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Date: 10/02/2015 10:47 AM (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Having the mainframe on YouTube On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:36:07 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Yes, and of course Linux and GNU are also

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>>> On 9/28/2015 at 03:20 PM, "Jack J. Woehr" wrote: -snip- > Though I do hope IBM was there, because the last part is about how to crack > into z/OS and RACF Related to this, Chad Rikansrud has written a blog post about APAR OA43999 and just how much that APAR improves RACF's encryption.

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Mark Post wrote: Related to this, Chad Rikansrud has written a blog post about APAR OA43999 and just how much that APAR improves RACF's encryption. Seehttp://www.bigendiansmalls.com/racf-gets-serious-about-password-encryption if you're interested. The improvement is actually pretty impressi

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Thanks Jack! - Chad > On Oct 15, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > > Mark Post wrote: >> Related to this, Chad Rikansrud has written a blog post about APAR OA43999 >> and just how much that APAR improves RACF's encryption. >> Seehttp://www.bigendiansmalls.com/racf-gets-serious-about-pa

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A.EDU Subject: Re: Having the mainframe on YouTube On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 13:24:00 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: >Tom Marchant wrote: >>Unix is not free software. > >UNIX=AE is sometimes free, at least in the colloquial sense of the >word. Mac OS X, for example, is UNIX=AE (and Ope

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02, 2015 9:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Fwd: FW: Having the mainframe on YouTube There is a Free Unix, its called Free BSD but due to legal reasons they can't call it Unix. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD --