Yes, I meant for Jason's use case. I was involved in getting z/OS running in
the ZVDT/Wazi environment,
so I am aware of those things.
Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie NY
Jim Mulder wrote:
>IBM does not provide any license for any release of
Jim Mulder wrote:
>IBM does not provide any license for any release of z/OS that permits
>you to run it on a LinuxONE machine, or under any non-IBM emulator
>on any machine.
I assume you meant ?for the uses Jason Cai described,? and (if so) I agree.
To be clear, IBM licenses z/OS (and IBM
We kept a system up for inquiries, finalizing transactions for a
couple of years. Then the users printed reports and sent them to a
open systems so they could manually search them.
Hercules TK5 has Intercomm, a cics like application software, there is
also KicksForTso. But the Cobol 68
How frequently, if at all, do you anticipate needing to access this residual
data?
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Subject: Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE
Our organization's z mainframe has reached the end of its hardware service life
and is no longer capable of running z/OS
Hercules emulates Mainframe DASD on Open system disk.
On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 2:50 PM Jason Cai wrote:
>
> Thank you very much for your response. Our historical backups are made
> through DSS dumped to IBM TS7700 tape library, and the data mainly consists
> of IMS and DB2
; We possess historical data backups from our z/OS environment that we need
>> to access. To address this, we are considering the installation of the
>> Hercules emulator on our zLinux environment. Our goal is to utilize
>> Hercules to emulate the z/OS necessary to access our back
s from our z/OS environment that we need
> to access. To address this, we are considering the installation of the
> Hercules emulator on our zLinux environment. Our goal is to utilize
> Hercules to emulate the z/OS necessary to access our backup data sometime.
>
Hercules does not emulate *any
Hercules does not emulate z/OS. It emulates the hardware. You could run the
free MVS that is available. Whether or not you could use that to access your
backups is another question. You didn't say what kind of backups you have. Can
you access DFSMSdss backups without running some version of DSS
Actually, Hercules does implement TXF, at least in versions 4.6 and later.
To answer Jason's question, Hercules on LinuxONE would technically be able
to do this. However, I would strongly caution that there are significant
licensing issues involved in running any licensed program product
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Our organization's z mainframe has reached the end of its hardware service life
and is no longer capable of running z/OS. However, we have a LinuxONE machine
that remains operational.
We possess historical data
On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 12:58:38 -0500, Jason Cai wrote:
>
> Our goal is to utilize Hercules to emulate the z/OS necessary to
> access our backup data sometime.
>
>2. Any known limitations or considerations we should be aware of when using
>Hercules for this purpose.
>
need to
> access. To address this, we are considering the installation of the Hercules
> emulator on our zLinux environment. Our goal is to utilize Hercules to
> emulate the z/OS necessary to access our backup data sometime.
>
> Could you please advise on the feasibility o
are considering the installation of the Hercules
emulator on our zLinux environment. Our goal is to utilize Hercules to emulate
the z/OS necessary to access our backup data sometime.
Could you please advise on the feasibility of this approach? Specifically, we
are interested in understanding:
1
Just compiling and emulating Z would be a step but rather than emulating you’d
be able to execute z/OS on Z hardware which is a lot faster. zVDT provides
this and we’ve seen dramatically better performance on zLinux. That said,
there is still the pesky software license issues.
Matt Hogstrom
That was going to be my question too... Why?
Of course it would be fun to try, but since Jason wrote:
"Additionally, I am interested in understanding the differences between
installing Hercules on Linux versus Windows."
... he could do that on an x86 box.
Still, I can just imagin
What is your purpose in doing this? Your Linux One machine is a zArchitecture
machine. Do you intend to emulate an older architecture? What do you plan to
run under Hercules emulation? You might not be in compliance with the Linux One
Terms and conditions.
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2024
hercules-390 on group.io will be you best support forum.
https://hercules-390.groups.io/g/group
On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 5:42 AM Jason Cai wrote:
>
> Thank you for your prompt response.
>
> I have experience using Hercules on Windows and understand that I need it to
> work with th
Yes, you will need to compile Hercules on LinuxONE. There are no prebuilt
binaries for it, mainly because LinuxONE isn't among the systems that our
folks have access to. You'll need to use Linux running on the LinuxONE
system to do the download and build.
The good news is that Bill Lewis's
Thank you for your prompt response.
I have experience using Hercules on Windows and understand that I need it to
work with the relevant z/OS volume files. I have already downloaded Hercules,
but I do not recall needing to compile it. Could you please clarify if
compilation is necessary? If so
Needs an OS already installed to download, compile, install Hercules
emulator. Then you install an operating system on Hercules.
On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 4:58 AM Jason Cai wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I am reaching out to see if anyone has experience installing Hercules on
> LinuxON
Hi all
I am reaching out to see if anyone has experience installing Hercules on
LinuxONE. I have a few questions regarding this:
1. Is it possible to install Hercules on LinuxONE?
2. Is there any need to purchase a license or additional hardware to support
this installation?
Any suggestions
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On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 2:34 PM Lizette Koehler wrote:
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> If you have not done so, there are several groups you may be interested in
>
> Other Mainframe groups (Hercules-390,hercules-os380,H390-MVS, V
If you have not done so, there are several groups you may be interested in
Other Mainframe groups (Hercules-390,hercules-os380,H390-MVS, VM, VSE) went to
Groups.io which has a free basic service; but you would have to pay for the
premium service.
Some are on Yahoo Groups, some Listserver, etc
On 7/5/20 11:31 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
P.S. - At least in my mail client, your email address in the message
headers is the listserv web interface, AFAIK it is not possible to
email you privately at that address.
Thank you for letting me know.
gtaylor (at) tnetconsulting (dot) net
I
least in my mail client, your email address in the message headers
> is the listserv web interface, AFAIK it is not possible to email you
> privately at that address.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Grant Taylor
> Sent:
to Hercules Environment
On 7/4/20 6:27 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> If anybody gets upset it will be because of "just because you feel
> z/OS ought to be free (as in beer"; few if any posters here have
> suggested such a belief. What I have seen is posters asking for
> affor
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> If anybody gets upset it will be because of "just because you feel
> z/OS ought to be free (as in beer"; few if any posters here have
> su
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On 7/4/20 6:27 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> If anybody gets upset it will be because of "just because you feel
>
. I'm now thinking that a poll might be in order.
Please reply to this message, either publicly or privately, if you are
interested in having a more serious discussion about a mainframe co-op.
I'm already paying an annuual support fee for ArcaOS, a rebranded
OS/2; if I could get z/OS and z/VM o
services you can'r offer the members; too high and there will be
otherwise interested people who will be unable or unwilling to pay.
I'm already paying an annuual support fee for ArcaOS, a rebranded OS/2; if I
could get z/OS and z/VM on Hercules at comparable cost then it wouldn't bre
there are people who
say the same thing about the Disney theme parks, that they cost too much and
should be free or low cost, but that's just not going to happen and neither is
z/OS going to get a rate cut any time soon.
I don't think anyone on this list would consider running production under
Hercules
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 11:45, Grant Taylor
<023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> I find it very difficult to believe that some business couldn't rent out
> tiny z/VM guests as VPSs for < $100 a month. Limited resources (storage
> / CPU / DASD) would be perfectly fine for
On 7/3/20 4:41 AM, R.S. wrote:
1. (Some) people like to "hack", break rules, be wilful.
I strongly suspect that a personal tiny guest VM would suffice for most
in this camp. I know it would for me.
So, "illegal" Hercules with illegal z/OS is just fancy for th
+1
Charles
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On 7/2/20 11:34
On 7/2/20 11:34 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
How much would a hobbyist pay for a Harley, a really nice drone, or
some of the other expensive hobbies.
I don't have figures handy, but I strongly suspect that all of the above
don't average out at $5,000 a year. I suspect they come in considerably
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I see you have a lot of free time and you decided to spend it on
pointless quarrels.
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W dniu 03.07.2020 o 15:45, Seymour J Metz pisze:
> You made a general comment that was o
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W dniu 03.07.2020 o 13:36, Seymour J Metz pisze:
The problem is not in the money, not only here.
Speak for yourself
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W dniu 03.07.2020 o 13:36, Seymour J Metz pisze:
The problem is not in the money, not only here.
Speak for yourself. Others are more honest, and the problem *is* the money.
Maybe you've never had to live on a budget, but for some of us $5K is not chump
change.
Speak for yourself. Others may
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W dniu 03.07.2020 o
reak rules, be wilful. So, "illegal"
Hercules with illegal z/OS is just fancy for them.
2. Free is much better even than $20 per year subscription. Yes, it is
close to lunch expense. But it is not free. It require some
registration, contract, etc. People don't like it. Free without any
And what?
Did IBM build such versions? NO!
Is it possible to do it? Well IBM dislike Hercules a lot. However they
didn't try to do it. Last, but not least: Hercules is hardware emulator.
Such problem would mean issue with the emulation (found and used by
IBM), which is probably feasible
How much would a hobbyist pay for a Harley, a really nice drone, or some of the
other expensive hobbies. People pay upwards of $1K a year for a new phone. I
did get a discount on that, but I suppose you are correct, if you can't justify
the cost, then it might seem too much. Although, the
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On 7/1/20 10:19 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
> You can join developerworks and license z/PDT, which is what I and
> most people do. It's not that expensive, and it won't kill you like
> buying that big o
On 7/1/20 10:19 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
You can join developerworks and license z/PDT, which is what I and
most people do. It's not that expensive, and it won't kill you like
buying that big old Harley-Davidson will.
Does joining DevelperWorks change the pricing?
Because z/PDT (or
I forgot to mention that there are directions for copying DASD on the CBTtape
file 659.
Brian
On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 05:31:27 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
>Hercules isn't nobbled. I know a bloke who knows a bloke who runs Hercules
>and zOS 2.3. This bloke told me that the other blo
gt;make it completely impossible for it to run on Hercules? Or z/VM? or z/VSE?
>
>Joe
>
>On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:33 AM R.S. wrote:
>
>> And what?
>> I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email.
>> Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent th
No, it works with z/OS 2.4, well, there is a small issue, but it's being
resolved.
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 20:01:41 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
>Didn't IBM nobble Hercules with recent versions of z/OS which had
>propriety enablement? Basically kills it!
>
>On 2020-07-01 7:32 PM
Hercules isn't nobbled. I know a bloke who knows a bloke who runs Hercules
and zOS 2.3. This bloke told me that the other bloke did ADRDSSU volume
dumps and a restore at the other end.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 03:47 Tom Brennan wrote:
> It wasn't me! I keep forgetting to lock up my computer whe
It wasn't me! I keep forgetting to lock up my computer when I leave my
desk. http://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/toms_computer.png
On 7/1/2020 5:53 AM, David Crayford wrote:
On 2020-07-01 8:26 PM, John McKown wrote:
And what?
I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous
"And what?"
How about ... and IBM builds in things to the next release of z/os that
make it completely impossible for it to run on Hercules? Or z/VM? or z/VSE?
Joe
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:33 AM R.S. wrote:
> And what?
> I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some
BM would make any effort to
investigate anything else than name and email address. And this should
end this thread.
IMHO much more interesting is technical question: how to migrate real
3390 volume to Hercules. I'm not Hercules user, however I believe there
is such tool up and re
On 2020-07-01 8:26 PM, John McKown wrote:
And what?
I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email.
Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message?
Using TOR (The Onion Router), it would be very difficult to get to your
specific IP address.
haha! How many IBMMAIN
t; IBM is aware of illegal users of Hercules + some current OS. They also
> know a lot of Hercules users are IBMers.
>
>
> No, it is nothing pro and against Hercules, piracy, and law. It is just
> an observation.
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
Didn't IBM nobble Hercules with recent versions of z/OS which had
propriety enablement? Basically kills it!
On 2020-07-01 7:32 PM, R.S. wrote:
And what?
I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email.
Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message?
IBM is aware
And what?
I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email.
Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message?
IBM is aware of illegal users of Hercules + some current OS. They also
know a lot of Hercules users are IBMers.
No, it is nothing pro and against Hercules
Hi Mike and Joe,
This is to inform you that they have it working now and we suspect that it
might have been the process in transmitting DASD volume to Hercules that was
causing issues but the good thing is that is working.
Your continous support and responses are very much appreciated, Friends
What version of Hercules? Only a few latest versions support a volume that big.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:41 PM Jasi Grewal wrote:
>
> Hi Mike and Joe,
>
> Sorry about not providing model but is Model 27 rescue volume and I created 1
> Rescue z/OS v2r3 System.
> I will
Hi Mike and Joe,
Sorry about not providing model but is Model 27 rescue volume and I created 1
Rescue z/OS v2r3 System.
I will get my IBM friends to look for tapeconv.jcl on z/OS IBM System and then
use that instead of using IBM zVM DDR+Terse.
Your continous support and responses are very much
what model DASD?
Joe
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:00 AM Jasi Grewal wrote:
> Thank You Mike for response and am an IBM Retiree and continues to work
> with IBMers.
> I am requesting IBMers to verify the Licensing and the message we are
> getting is that it cannot find PLPA dataset and yet the
Can you download a rescue IPL volume to define the dataset? Or
download an idled Paging pack with this on it and add to
configuration? Being in use may have made the copy bad.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:00 PM Jasi Grewal wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for response and am an IBM Retiree and continues
Thank You Mike for response and am an IBM Retiree and continues to work with
IBMers.
I am requesting IBMers to verify the Licensing and the message we are getting
is that it cannot find PLPA dataset and yet the same IPL v2r3 volser was able
to IPL v2r3 System successfully under the IBM
Call from the IBM Lawyers in 3... 2... 1...
Joe
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:35 AM Jasi Grewal wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am sorry I am just learning Hercules Systems and trying to migrate one
> of my z/OS DASD Systems from Mainframe to Hercules Environment.
> I have z/VM running on Herc
If you are only testing on Hercules and will continue to run
production on IBM z series hardware, I believe IBM doesn't care. But
the SOFTWARE does check the hardware levels and you have to include a
particular configuration statement for a recent Z operating system to
run on Hercules
There is currently no legal way. Now if IBM ever offers a z/OS license for use
under Hercules, ...
Meanwhile, can you IPL OS/VS2 R3.8?
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Have you complied with the licensing requirements?
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 05:25:23 -0500 Jasi Grewal wrote:
:>I am sorry I am just learning Hercules Systems and trying to migrate one of
my z/OS DASD Systems from Mainframe to Hercules Environment.
:>I have z/VM running on Hercules but when I
Hi,
I am sorry I am just learning Hercules Systems and trying to migrate one of my
z/OS DASD Systems from Mainframe to Hercules Environment.
I have z/VM running on Hercules but when I tries to IPL z/OS it seems that
there is a corruption and that is most probably cause of wrong process.
I
I've had the most fun with Hercules, poking around with "bare metal" programs.
Something I'm not likely to be able to do (especially these days)
in the for seeable future.
I started with the simplest 370 I/O (output) (see below), then did
some "raw" dasd
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This may help answering your question.
http://secure-web.cisco.com
If you want to play with Hercules with something useful checkout the ZZSA
tutorial package that you can find at https://www.cbttape.org thanks to our
good friend Sam Golob:
File # 979 ZZSA Tutorial Package - complete setup to learn ZZSA
>From the README:
Instructions for us
I have given this some more thought. I now think I would not mention Hercules,
but not for the reasons you suspect. I would not mention it because when I was
interviewing programmers I was looking for *accomplishments*, not products they
had had a proximity to. So in an interview I might say
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Greg,
My understanding matches yours to a tee.
Anecdotal comment: My wife picked up the CD I got from SHARE and installed
Hercules. Next, she brought up the OS. Next, she got sarcastic and said, "they
pay you to do this?". Needless to say, I did try for awhile to try and get her
in
Hercules emulates IBM S/370 and successor hardware. You have to
install the operating system and software and data on top of it.
zCobol and zAsm emulates the hardware and operating system calls to
run user mode software. http://z390.sourceforge.net/zcobol/index.html
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11
uot; an image of z/OS, it will happily run on z/OS Hercules.
IBM would definitely frown upon this, though.
-Brandon
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12:17 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
> It's taken me until this morning, as this thread continues, to realize that
> maybe I don't know what Hercules does after all. "Mainframe emulation", I'd
> always heard, and supposed that meant that if I install Hercules on a PC
> I'll be ab
On 2020-04-10 11:21 PM, Jackson, Rob wrote:
The first time I ever encountered Hercules it was running z/OS 1.9 on an IBM
employee's IBM-owned laptop.
My understanding is that IBM generally considered IBM employees to be
licensed to run IBM software in the course of their work for IBM. So
It's taken me until this morning, as this thread continues, to realize that
maybe I don't know what Hercules does after all. "Mainframe emulation", I'd
always heard, and supposed that meant that if I install Hercules on a PC
I'll be able to write REXX execs, write and submit JCL, c
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On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:55:11 -0400, scott Ford w
On 2020-04-09 18:04, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:55:11 -0400, scott Ford wrote:
Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.
On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:08 PM Grant Taylor wrote:
On 4/8/20 1:13 PM, SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Brandon Tucker wrote:
I've always wondered
The first time I ever encountered Hercules it was running z/OS 1.9 on an IBM
employee's IBM-owned laptop. Do as I say, not as I do, I suppose.
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IBM employees were involved in the Hercules project and used it internally.
What they were allowed to run on it is beyond my pay grade.
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Didn't IBM, at one time, allow IBMers to use Hercules? Has that changed?
Bob
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On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:55:11 -0400, scott Ford wrote:
>Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I woul
The issue is not whether IBM sanctions Hercules; in fact, IBM employees were
involved in developing Hercules. Thw iaauw ia that it is illegal to run
licensed software on Hercules without a license giving you the right to do so.
Note that even if IBM does decide to license, e.g., z/OS, for use
There is no ethical or legal reason to consider Hercules an illegal
counterfeit, nor has IBM made such a claim. The legal issue is running licensed
software without paying for an applicable license. Unless IBM gives you a
license to run, e.g., z/OS, on Hercules then there is no legal way to do
It would be legal to run, e.g., Debian, OpenSolaris, under Hercules. It would
be legal to run a licensed copy of, e.g., SLES, under Hercules. The bone of
contention is that IBM doesn't offer licenses to run, e.g., z/OS, under
Hercules.
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It's legal to run z enabled Linux on Hercules. Not sure what you would
achieve over just running Linux on Wintel but interesting
.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/01/ibm_prevails_over_neon_zprime/
Then Turbo Hercules was set up to sell x86 rack mounted servers with
an high speed assembler to run z systems for Test and Disaster
Recovery. They shut down when the court ruled the contract covered
what processors could run
On 4/9/20 5:23 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
This is new to me. I've heard of Hercules, but I never heard that
it is considered, or that IBM would like it to be considered, an
illegal counterfeit. Is there any ethical reason for that viewpoint?
No, forget "ethical"; I guess I can make
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:20:10 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
>It's legal to run z enabled Linux on Hercules. Not sure what you would
>achieve over just running Linux on Wintel but interesting in that you may
>then have marketable skills for a real z shop.
>
Testing programs for z-c
It's legal to run z enabled Linux on Hercules. Not sure what you would
achieve over just running Linux on Wintel but interesting in that you may
then have marketable skills for a real z shop.
You can run mainframe Linuxes without fear of the license police. RHEL and
SLES are battle-hardened
On 9 Apr 2020 16:23:35 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
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robhbrid...@gmail.com (Bob Bridges) wrote:
This is new to me. I've heard of Hercules, but I never
heard that it is considered, or that IBM would like it to
be cons
This is new to me. I've heard of Hercules, but I never heard that it is
considered, or that IBM would like it to be considered, an illegal counterfeit.
Is there any ethical reason for that viewpoint? No, forget "ethical"; I guess
I can make up my own mind about that (and ther
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On 4/9/20 10:55 AM, scott Ford wrote:
> Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.
In my opinion, IBM will n
On 4/9/20 10:55 AM, scott Ford wrote:
Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.
In my opinion, IBM will never sanction Hercules.
I think that mentioning Hercules in the specific context of MVS 3.8j or
S/390 Linux or other free / non-licensed OSs is probably okay.
Doing so
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:55:11 -0400, scott Ford wrote:
>Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.
>
>On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:08 PM Grant Taylor wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/20 1:13 PM, SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Brandon Tucker wrote:
>>
>> > I've always wondered
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