Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-16 Thread Timothy Sipples
Tom Marchant writes: >AFAIK, most UNIX libraries do not have licenses >that allow them to be copied. I mentioned software licenses. On every platform, for every application, one always reviews and complies with software licenses. There's nothing unusual or different in that. Want to run a particul

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-16 Thread John McKown
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:16 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: > Paul Gilmartin writes: > >I have tried building FOSS with the C compiler ASCII option. It works well > >for "Hello, World" but fails miserably for anything real-world, first > >because lack of ASCII versions of essential libraries such as

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-16 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 18:16:26 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: >1. As always the case, on any platform, if there's a library you need that >either isn't available at all or isn't available in the form or version >that you'd like, put that library within your project scope and pull it >along for the ri

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-16 Thread Timothy Sipples
Paul Gilmartin writes: >I have tried building FOSS with the C compiler ASCII option. It works well >for "Hello, World" but fails miserably for anything real-world, first >because lack of ASCII versions of essential libraries such as Curses and >X11. That's an interesting and yet different point. I

IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-15 Thread Timothy Sipples
John McKown writes: >I think I understand where you're coming from. I'm glad somebody does. :-) >But this is, in and of itself, a "nasty EBCDIC" problem >because code on z/OS generally _assumes_ that character >data is encoded in CP-037 (historic batch?), or maybe >IBM-1047 (UNIX). Yes, you're d

IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-15 Thread Timothy Sipples
John Baker asks: >Will IBM be releasing a new edition of the z/Architecture Principles of >Operation publication, or will the SIMD instruction set be documented in a >separate publication, as was the case with the earlier vector facilities? I'd predict the former. As a conceptual preview (if you'

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-15 Thread Sam Siegel
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht < elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote: > Tom Marchant wrote: > > >Can I get z/OS messages to be issued in Unicode? > > And having Bookmanager bookies written in all those codepages? > > >I could probably ask many more questions like these. > >

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-15 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Tom Marchant wrote: >Can I get z/OS messages to be issued in Unicode? And having Bookmanager bookies written in all those codepages? >I could probably ask many more questions like these. >Unless the answer to all of these is "yes", your "absolutely no requirement to >use" is false. True. Pau

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:55:50 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: >On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:31:56 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: > >>z/OS imposes absolutely no requirement to use or to convert to EBCDIC. >>Zero, zip, nada. Store and manage everything in Unicode if you like. > >Really? > >Can I code PARMLIB in

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2015-01-14, at 23:31, Timothy Sipples wrote: > > John McKown writes: >> This might help people to convert to z/OS. Of >> course, there is still that nasty EBCDIC >> issue for any conversion.​ > > That's just not correct. > > z/OS imposes absolutely no requirement to use or to convert to EBCD

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-15 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:31:56 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: >z/OS imposes absolutely no requirement to use or to convert to EBCDIC. >Zero, zip, nada. Store and manage everything in Unicode if you like. Really? Can I code PARMLIB in Unicode? Can I get z/OS messages to be issued in Unicode? Can I

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-15 Thread John McKown
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: > > John McKown writes: > >This might help people to convert to z/OS. Of > >course, there is still that nasty EBCDIC > >issue for any conversion.​ > > That's just not correct. > > z/OS imposes absolutely no requirement to use or to convert

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-15 Thread John P. Baker
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe If you'd like some introductory information on the Vector Facility for z/Architecture (SIMD) capabilities,

IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-14 Thread Timothy Sipples
If you'd like some introductory information on the Vector Facility for z/Architecture (SIMD) capabilities, this paper should help: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/technotes/tips1259.pdf Yes, Mathematical Acceleration Subsystem (MASS), Basic Linear Algebra Subprograms (BLAS), and Automatically Tuned L

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-14 Thread Timothy Sipples
John McKown writes: >This might help people to convert to z/OS. Of >course, there is still that nasty EBCDIC >issue for any conversion.​ That's just not correct. z/OS imposes absolutely no requirement to use or to convert to EBCDIC. Zero, zip, nada. Store and manage everything in Unicode if you

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-14 Thread Bob Shannon
> I hope it builds the z base, but I can't see it converting many over. I doubt IBM expects anyone to convert due to SIMD. However, the SIMD functionality may encourage some to look towards IBM when considering Linux solutions. For the rest of us, compilers will generate SIMD code where appropr

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-14 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 07:01:02 -0600, John McKown wrote: > > >​SIMD, to me, means instructions akin to the old vector facility on a few > >of the previous machines. > > Think MMX and SSE for your x86 boxes. They've had it since before the turn

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-14 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 07:01:02 -0600, John McKown wrote: >​SIMD, to me, means instructions akin to the old vector facility on a few >of the previous machines. Think MMX and SSE for your x86 boxes. They've had it since before the turn of the century. Not to mention SMT. All this is old news to the

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-14 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Binyamin Dissen wrote: > Did not find the link to the new POPs. > ​And I am eager to see it too, due to this: z/OS V2.2 XML System Services is planned to use the new vector (SIMD) instructions available on z13 processors. This function, also available on z/OS V2

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-14 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Did not find the link to the new POPs. On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:54:41 +0800 Timothy Sipples wrote: :>IBM has now posted a great deal of information on the new IBM z13 including :>a data sheet, redbook, frequently asked questions (and answers), a preview :>of z/OS 2.2, and much more. Here's the lin

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-14 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
Now we will see who is right: IBM or the Triskaidekaphobiae. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: 14 January, 2015 10:21 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Launches the z13

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-14 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Mark Regan wrote: >http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/45808.wss   Thanks, Is it fast? Superfast, Lightspeed fast? If so I want 4 of these gems. One Prod, Dev and DRP and nr 4 to take home to play. ;-) Thanks Mark! ;-) Hmm, I hope Big Blue can sell this toy, z13 successfully despite

IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-13 Thread Timothy Sipples
IBM has now posted a great deal of information on the new IBM z13 including a data sheet, redbook, frequently asked questions (and answers), a preview of z/OS 2.2, and much more. Here's the link: http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/announcement.html I plan to offer some thoughts live during IBM's Webcas

IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-13 Thread Timothy Sipples
IBM has also released this 15 minute video highlighting some of the many innovations we're introducing in the IBM z13: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErZRSQoTFXw Many more details will follow, I'm sure. As a reminder you (and your colleagues) can sign up to view IBM's Webcast here: https://enga

Re: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-13 Thread Mark Regan
From: Mark Regan <000d30be819f-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:05 PM Subject: IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/45808.wss   Thanks, Mark Regan,

IBM Launches the z13 Mainframe

2015-01-13 Thread Mark Regan
http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/45808.wss   Thanks, Mark Regan, USNR-Ret, 1969-1991 <>< -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: I