David L. Craig wrote:
>Nancy (now Assistant Chief) confirmed the 91 did not use ASP. So I was wrong.
>Where's my ceremonial sword? Hopefully I won't get that wrong. ;-)
Ok, just lay for me nice and easy flat while I sharpen my sword.
sharpening . sharpening more sharpening
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Hey David,
Nobody's perfect dude
On Monday, March 30, 2015, Richard Pinion wrote:
> JES2 was a half ASP project.
>
>
>
> --- dlc@gmail.com wrote:
>
> From: "David L. Craig" >
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re:
JES2 was a half ASP project.
--- dlc@gmail.com wrote:
From: "David L. Craig"
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The
Mainframe - Forbes
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 11:38:59 -0400
On 15Mar29:1833-0400, David L. Craig wrote:
> It's interesting to see how it's been marked up to note the
> differences since the application was migrated to the 3081
> running MVS. "Nancy" is "Nancy L. Palm" who is the sysprog
> I'm trying to track down. It's unclear to me from the
> listings i
In <20150329212721.GB25599@dlc-dt>, on 03/29/2015
at 05:27 PM, "David L. Craig" said:
>Schmuel
That's Shmuel. And don't forget Tom Kern.
>are any neurons being triggered
Giss could only run VM on the 470V/6; when they shipped that to GMSF
at GSFC, they were left running a single instance of
And then there is the topic/subject Hijack...
Pulling from history, I got assigned to work on a
Univac/Varian/DEC project to support the Space shuttle over at
the Goddard Space Flight Center for NASA Ultimately required
that I put some diodes together with some resistors... Got the
16bit
EE, you made me laugh out loud this morning. For the record let's add
PDSE jihads, semantics jousting, SMPE rules of engagement, "what
constitutes an empty file" sparring, and revision of revisionist history
revision.
On 3/30/2015 3:00 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>> (We need a new group, alt.ibm-main.nostalgia, or the like.)
and Tony's Outlook via Mozilla wrote:
>We've got one, it's called IBM-MAIN, :-)
My oh my! ;-)
That famous list contains: OT, nostalgia, OT, trivia, OT, discussion about any
computers except mainframes, flamin
>>> On 3/30/2015 at 12:16 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote:
> Softlayer ?.
> Bluemix ?.
>
> What proportion of those run on z ?. Does IBM eat their own (z) dogfood ?.
I have no idea what either of those are, so I can't comment. For years IBM has
been consolidating (mostly) AIX and Linux systems on Lin
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 14:45:53 -0600, Mark Post wrote:
>IBM has been investing a lot of money in developing OpenStack and related
>software to manage and run Linux on z Systems. In addition to that they've
>been updating their various middleware products to capitalize on what they see
>as the gr
This IBM page has solid tech notes and includes an
enlargable photo of that same console early in its
deployment. Maybe Nancy can name some of those
folks for posterity.
https://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_PP2091.html
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On 15Mar29:1453-0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> I still haven't seen a plausible answer; not even a guess.
> The only one tendered, > "OS/MVT/ASP" strikes me as
> absolutely incredible.
>From http://voyager.gsfc.nasa.gov/Library/isee-3_book8.pdf
In the first paragraph of the Abstract: "This docume
On 15Mar29:1638-0400, David L. Craig wrote:
> On 15Mar29:1453-0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
> > I still haven't seen a plausible answer; not even a guess.
> > The only one tendered, "OS/MVT/ASP" strikes me as absolutely
> > incredible.
>
> Sheesh. I've sent an email to one of the primary syspro
>>> On 3/29/2015 at 03:53 PM, Paul Gilmartin
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 08:57:38 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:
Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes:
> http://ww
On 15Mar29:1453-0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> I still haven't seen a plausible answer; not even a guess.
> The only one tendered, "OS/MVT/ASP" strikes me as absolutely
> incredible.
Sheesh. I've sent an email to one of the primary sysprogs--
hopefully he'll speak definitively on this matter.
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We've got one, it's called IBM-MAIN, :-)
On 3/29/2015 2:53 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 08:57:38 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:
Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 08:57:38 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
>>On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:
>>> Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes:
>>>
>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2015/03/24/digital-cloud-modern-and-cost-effective-surprise-its-the-mainframe/
In <551602fc.10...@yahoo.com>, on 03/27/2015
at 09:25 PM, Thomas Kern
<0041d919e708-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> said:
>Not only did GISS have a 360/95 (running a special operating system
>called SSS/360) but also an Amdahl 470V6 running VM/370 R3 with 3
>VMs of SSS/360.
Don't forget
Robert Wessel writes:
> IBM shipped about 20 360/91s, then a couple of 360/95s with a
> redesigned memory subsystem, then the 360/195 which re-implemented the
> same machine on a faster, denser logic process, then that modified was
> to include the basic S/370 extensions (no virtual memory) and sh
On 15Mar27:1741-0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
> In <20150327175138.GA3765@dlc-dt>, on 03/27/2015
>at 01:51 PM, "David L. Craig" said:
>
> >The plaque said it's from the Goddard Space Flight Center, which
> >was in building 3/14 and under the Flight Dynamics Directorate,
>
> My reco
Not only did GISS have a 360/95 (running a special operating system
called SSS/360) but also an Amdahl 470V6 running VM/370 R3 with 3 VMs
of SSS/360.
My first job was production control there. I logged onto my first VM on
June 23, 1976.
/Tom Kern
On 03/27/2015 17:41, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J
In <20150327175138.GA3765@dlc-dt>, on 03/27/2015
at 01:51 PM, "David L. Craig" said:
>The plaque said it's from the Goddard Space Flight Center, which
>was in building 3/14 and under the Flight Dynamics Directorate,
My recollection is that they had a 360/91 + 360/75 and that the
Goddard Inst
In <0964724ce2194f049dd3ef12ce76c...@exmbxprd01.ad.ufl.edu>, on
03/27/2015
at 02:15 PM, "Nims,Alva John (Al)" said:
>Now, when I originally responded, I had done a search on www.ibm.com
>of 360/191 and it did return a hit for a 360/191, so there must have
>been a 191 model at some point.
Not
Nims
> > Systems Admin/Programmer 3
> > Information Technology
> > University of Florida
> > (352) 273-1298
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>
> > ] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz
On 2015-03-27 14:16, Tony Harminc wrote:
>
>> Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise!
>>
>> On OS/MVT/ASP!? I am truly surprised!
>
> Well, be fair; the caption did say "an ancestor" of the z13.
>
This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on
his mother’s sid
On 27 March 2015 at 15:12, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> On 2015-03-27 11:51, David L. Craig wrote:
>> On 15Mar27:1223-0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>>
>>> But did anyone ever figure out, what OS? TPF, perhaps?
>>
>> The plaque said it's from the Goddard Space Flight Center,
>> which was in building 3/14
On 2015-03-27 11:51, David L. Craig wrote:
> On 15Mar27:1223-0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
>> But did anyone ever figure out, what OS? TPF, perhaps?
>
> The plaque said it's from the Goddard Space Flight Center,
> which was in building 3/14 and under the Flight Dynamics
> Directorate, running OS
On 15Mar27:1223-0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> But did anyone ever figure out, what OS? TPF, perhaps?
The plaque said it's from the Goddard Space Flight Center,
which was in building 3/14 and under the Flight Dynamics
Directorate, running OS/MVT/ASP IIRC. I had nothing to do
with it but I'd seen
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 11:12:45 -0400, Scott Ford wrote:
>It's not at 191 it's a s360/195 .
>
(Sigh. I suspect classic car buffs behave likewise: "It's not a 1931; it's a
1932!")
But did anyone ever figure out, what OS? TPF, perhaps?
-- gil
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It's not at 191 it's a s360/195 .
Scott
On Friday,
BM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> ] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:49 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's
> The Mainframe - Forbes
>
> In >,
> on
> 03/26/2
Technology
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(352) 273-1298
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In , on
03/26/2015
at 12:48 PM, "Nims,Alva John (Al)" said:
>The picture is not very good though. A google search of "360/195"
>got a few hits that may support that the ancestor is a 360/19x
19x? The only 3-digit S/360 model was 195. Did you mean 360/9x?
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:17:11 -0400, David L. Craig wrote:
>On 15Mar26:0928-0500, Norbert Friemel wrote:
>>
>> S/360 Model 91
>>
>> Higher resolutions @
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/epitti/2371701458/sizes/l/in/photostream/
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/epitti/2370869637/sizes/l/in/photostr
On 15Mar26:0928-0500, Norbert Friemel wrote:
>
> S/360 Model 91
>
> Higher resolutions @
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/epitti/2371701458/sizes/l/in/photostream/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/epitti/2370869637/sizes/l/in/photostream/
Inquiring minds want to know: where's the Emergency Pull?
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:38:12 -0500, John McKown wrote:
>Why did they put in a picture of "an ancestor of the z13"? I'll grant
>that the old machines really did look a lot more "computer-ish" than
>today's "pizza box" and "refridgerator" forms. Oh, for the days of
>spinning tapes and card sorters.
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:38:12 -0500, John McKown wrote:
>Why did they put in a picture of "an ancestor of the z13"? I'll grant
>that the old machines really did look a lot more "computer-ish" than
>today's "pizza box" and "refridgerator" forms. Oh, for the days of
>spinning tapes and card sorters.
Regan
USNR-Ret. [1969-1991, CTO1]
K8MTR
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From: John McKown
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Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 7:38 AM
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Mainframe - Forbes
Why did they put in a picture of "an anc
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360#/media/File:IBM_System_360-30_front_panel.agr.jpg
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:
> S/360.
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:38 AM, John McKown
> wrote:
>> Why did they put in a picture of "an ancestor of the z13"? I'll grant
>> that th
Yeah, Mike that's what I thought. Heard of a s360/195 had never seen one.
Regards,
Scott
On Thursday, March 26, 2015, Mike Schwab wrote:
> S/360.
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:38 AM, John McKown
> > wrote:
> > Why did they put in a picture of "an ancestor of the z13"? I'll grant
> > that the ol
S/360.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:38 AM, John McKown
wrote:
> Why did they put in a picture of "an ancestor of the z13"? I'll grant
> that the old machines really did look a lot more "computer-ish" than
> today's "pizza box" and "refridgerator" forms. Oh, for the days of
> spinning tapes and card
John,
Is that a 360/195 ?
On Thursday, March 26, 2015, John McKown > wrote:
> Why did they put in a picture of "an ancestor of the z13"? I'll grant
> that the old machines really did look a lot more "computer-ish" than
> today's "pizza box" and "refridgerator" forms. Oh, for the days of
> spinni
Why did they put in a picture of "an ancestor of the z13"? I'll grant
that the old machines really did look a lot more "computer-ish" than
today's "pizza box" and "refridgerator" forms. Oh, for the days of
spinning tapes and card sorters. [grin]. BTW - what is that a picture
of?
On Thu, Mar 26, 20
Interesting article about the mainframe in Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2015/03/24/digital-cloud-modern-and-cost-effective-surprise-its-the-mainframe/
tiny'd: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pv3wwz9
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