Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-07 Thread Don Leahy
Acronym War! On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 06:53 Joe Monk wrote: > Not a good idea to be hurling insults from a work account. > > Joe > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:25 AM R.S. > wrote: > > > BBC > > > > -- > > Radoslaw Skorupka > > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W dniu 07.08.2020 o

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-07 Thread Joe Monk
Not a good idea to be hurling insults from a work account. Joe On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:25 AM R.S. wrote: > BBC > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > W dniu 07.08.2020 o 03:28, Seymour J Metz pisze: > > PKB > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > >

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-07 Thread R.S.
BBC -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 07.08.2020 o 03:28, Seymour J Metz pisze: PKB -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of R.S. Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:25 AM

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
PKB -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of R.S. Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-06 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
Touche! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-06 Thread R.S.
W dniu 05.08.2020 o 17:07, Seymour J Metz pisze: Must you be so obtuse? The structure that they devised is extremely hard to change. Look at how long it took for everyone to switch from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian calendar. Yes, Europe has had treaties, and before the ones that you

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Edward Finnell
Having a written constitution helps set the foundation for our Republic. It's pretty straightforward. The Feds are charged with controlling 'enumerated' responsibilities. The states are responsible for everything else. Where the boundaries overlap or converge the courts decide. This is not a

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Mike Schwab
It depends on who owns the road, and what local jurisdictions it passes through. HOA (Home Owners Associations) own all the roads in a development and set the speed limits there. Cities own most city streets and decide on the speed limit. Townships own most roads outside of cities and set their

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Bob Bridges
The thing many non-Americans don't understand (and many Americans, too, I'm afraid) is that the states in the USA are not provinces. They're called "states" because they were individual countries that decided to form a ~partial~ union. The US Constitution defines what are the powers of the

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
Generally by litigation going up to the Supreme Court, with arguments involving, e.g., the 9th, 10th and 14th Amendments, to say nothing of the interpretation of terms in the base Constitution. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
Must you be so obtuse? The structure that they devised is extremely hard to change. Look at how long it took for everyone to switch from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian calendar. Yes, Europe has had treaties, and before the ones that you mentioned at that, but some things are easier to

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Martin Packer
Except speed limits only became a thing long after y'all got together. I wonder how deciding what is a state, county, township prerogative and what is a federal one works. Probably on a (legal) case by (legal) case basis. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer zChampion, Systems Investigator &

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Mike Schwab
The state highway rules are very close to each other in the US and to international standards. But each state sets maximum limits in their state, just like each country in the E.U. sets their own laws. The E.U. has about 13 treaties covering various subject matters that they have all agreed to.

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread R.S.
No colonies were involved in speed limits. We agreed and standarized a lot of things long before EU membership. Example could be some driving related rules, Vienna 1963 and TIR. And US, over 100 years after colonies create different rules from scratch... no, not from scratch - there were

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We started as a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the Federal system is just one of the compromises that are set in concrete. Changing them is not just politically impossible, but would be a logistical

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
The US started as a loose coalition of colonies with competing interests. Even after the States found the Articles of Confederation to be too anarchic, the states were jealous of their parochial interests and prerogatives, and the US Constitution is a mass of compromises that look bad from a

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
> So they make pointless differences because they can. The same applies to the EU, in spades. You have to understand the history of a country to understand the quirks in its legal system. It's like software; a bad design decision is hard to change once it's deployed. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Mohammad Khan
Once the argument over who has what powers became really hot :) MKK On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 08:04:37 -0500, Joe Monk wrote: >"Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand." > >It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the >federal government has

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread R.S.
So they make pointless differences because they can. Bingo. You know we (Poland) are independent country and we have some kind of states (województwo), but driving rules are common and much more similiar to other countries in EU than your states one to another. And we have the same voltage and

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Martin Packer
I think what baffles the rest of the world is the point of states, counties, etc setting things like speed limits. (Yes to where a 25 applies, for instance. No to it being a 25.) And, for sure, it suckers the occasional out-of-stater into inadvertent illegality - which is probably

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Joe Monk
"Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand." It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the federal government has certain powers. Joe On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S. wrote: > Federal limits, state limits... This is something I

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread R.S.
Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas limits vary

OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Bob Bridges
Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. Most

Re: [OT] OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-23 Thread Tom Brennan
Worth watching, thanks! Usually I'd rather read than listen, but this guy really moves along. That's about half an hour of info packed into 12 minutes. On 7/23/2020 6:17 PM, Tony Thigpen wrote: I know this has just about run it's course, but I came across this interesting youtube video

Re: [OT] OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-23 Thread Tony Thigpen
I know this has just about run it's course, but I came across this interesting youtube video about "why the US did not adopt the metric system" by a legitimate historian. https://youtu.be/yseldOMcT4Q Tony Thigpen Bob Bridges wrote on 7/23/20 10:13 AM: I would be willing to follow such a

Re: [OT] OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-23 Thread Bob Bridges
I would be willing to follow such a convention, if there's a consensus for it, or possibly even if it's requested by only a few. Personally I enjoy such discussions - obviously - but I can see not everyone would. But what constitutes OT? These things have recently started with a discussion

Re: [OT] OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-23 Thread kekronbekron
Quick poll for the list: Can we all follow a 'rule' that says [OT] must be added in all off-topic discussions, so we can filter them out if required? - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, July 23, 2020 9:38 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > That explains why the term used in the 19th