Re: Packed decimal (again!)

2014-02-19 Thread Phil Smith
Ted MacNEIL wrote: >Careful. In Canada the first four digits identify the issuer. Ooh, do tell - did some Googling but didn't find this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Insurance_Number talks about the first digit being significant, however. This still proves the point I believe you were ma

Re: Packed decimal (again!)

2014-02-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Careful. In Canada the first four digits identify the issuer. - -teD -   Original Message   From: Gerhard Postpischil Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 23:57 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: Packed decimal (again!) On 2/18/2014 2:08 PM, Phil Smith

Re: Packed decimal (again!)

2014-02-18 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 2/18/2014 3:23 PM, Phil Smith wrote: Gerhard: you wrote: Keeping the number in unsigned packed form can speed verification How is x'123F' faster to verify than x'123C'? Unsigned packed would be x'0123'. It's faster than verifying a binary value when you're dealing with digits, eliminating

Re: Packed decimal (again!)

2014-02-18 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 14:29 -0500 on 02/18/2014, Gerhard Postpischil wrote about Re: Packed decimal (again!): You're wrong about math use with credit card numbers. The leading three/four digit identify the bank, and the last digit is a checksum calculated from the remaining 8/9 digits. The first digits

Re: Packed decimal (again!)

2014-02-18 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
Hello Phil, I would like to give you some personal opinions on this ... see below Am 18.02.2014 20:08, schrieb Phil Smith: A while ago, there was a somewhat contentious thread about packed decimal: whether it had to include the sign nybble or could just be all "significant" nybbles, and like

Re: Packed decimal (again!)

2014-02-18 Thread Phil Smith
Thanks, Gerhard and Peter. By "prefix analysis" I meant IIN/BIN routing and the like; and yes, of course there's Luhn calculation, but if you have a stored PAN, it seems unlikely that you're going to be calculating the Luhn again-you presumably did that when you got it, no? But I suppose some p

Re: Packed decimal (again!)

2014-02-18 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
;ve been far more concerned about the actual decimal values far more than the choice of sign nibble. I leave the database question to others more knowledgeable than I. HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil

Re: Packed decimal (again!)

2014-02-18 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 2/18/2014 2:08 PM, Phil Smith wrote: The same applies in spades to credit card numbers, which you're even less likely to be doing math on, though I suppose there's a bit more prefix analysis or IINs and the like, so maybe x'04000123456789123' for CCN 4000123456789123 might be a bit easier to p

Packed decimal (again!)

2014-02-18 Thread Phil Smith
A while ago, there was a somewhat contentious thread about packed decimal: whether it had to include the sign nybble or could just be all "significant" nybbles, and like that. I don't intend to revisit what the formal definition of "packed decimal" is or should be, but rather would like to under