Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-24 Thread Seymour J Metz
[pwo...@harristeeter.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 9:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage Carmen, Do you have any usermods that move any of the LE runtime programs from SCEERUN to SCEELPA? I tried this once, and with 30

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-24 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I do not. if you moved modules that are earmarked for linklist to LPA i'd supect you just need to move them back to linklist Carmen Vitullo -Original Message- From: Peter To: IBM-MAIN Date: Wednesday, 24 March 2021 8:08 AM CDT Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-24 Thread Dave Jousma
>It was a decision made above my level and somewhat political and before I >started working at this site. >From what I understand the operations manager did not what the operators >responsible for reacting to console messages, they'd contact the >systems >group, day or night on some

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-24 Thread Peter Vander Woude
Carmen, Do you have any usermods that move any of the LE runtime programs from SCEERUN to SCEELPA? I tried this once, and with 30 programs moved over, I lost 1M in private region size. I do load them into lpa, but I do it via a SET PROG of a member that does LPA ADD. Peter

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-24 Thread Carmen Vitullo
t;OS installs and I'm.that guy, the only guy       Carmen Vitullo -Original Message- From: Peter To: IBM-MAIN Date: Wednesday, 24 March 2021 7:38 AM CDT Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage >my site does not want HC running in prod (2.3) Can y

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-24 Thread Peter Relson
>my site does not want HC running in prod (2.3) Can you share any information about "why"? They don't like to hear where they are not implementing best practices? HC is expected not to change anything; it informs. And obviously they can turn off individual checks as they choose (or, in many

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-23 Thread A T & T Management
/ Server.       Carmen Vitullo   -Original Message- From: Mike To: IBM-MAIN Date: Tuesday, 23 March 2021 11:56 AM CDT Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage ISPF can be loaded into shared memory for increased performance but reduces private memory. If you

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-23 Thread Carmen Vitullo
AM CDT Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage ISPF can be loaded into shared memory for increased performance but reduces private memory. If you don't use the shared memory you get increased private memory but slow starting up users. https://www.ibm.com/support

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-23 Thread Mike Schwab
> I'll have to burn this check in my old brain so I do not forget. > I've had this bite me very long ago with and older PL/1 1.1 application. long > story :( > > Carmen Vitullo > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Peter > To: IBM-MAIN > Date: Tuesday, 2

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-23 Thread Carmen Vitullo
long ago with and older PL/1 1.1 application. long story :(   Carmen Vitullo -Original Message- From: Peter To: IBM-MAIN Date: Tuesday, 23 March 2021 10:07 AM CDT Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage The boundary between PVT/CSA and ECSA/EPVT is a 1-M

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-23 Thread Martin Packer
15:07 Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List The boundary between PVT/CSA and ECSA/EPVT is a 1-M boundary. A tiny change in nucleus, LPA, CSA allocation, SQA allocation can result in reduction of PVT size

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-23 Thread Peter Relson
The boundary between PVT/CSA and ECSA/EPVT is a 1-M boundary. A tiny change in nucleus, LPA, CSA allocation, SQA allocation can result in reduction of PVT size by 1M. Health check VSM_CSA_CHANGE can provide useful information about how close to the "tipping point" you are. Did you look at that

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-23 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
this once and only once in a VTAM/SNA world, never again Carmen Vitullo -Original Message- From: Radoslaw To: IBM-MAIN Date: Monday, 22 March 2021 1:40 PM CDT Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage My former CICS admin used to say "don't forget

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Dave Jousma
>Hi Dave, >The JCLIN is not an actual job. It is just a bunch of statements which >get scanned for keywords, much like what recruiters do on LinkedIn. >I usually try to make sure that it is not executable in case in gets >SUBMITd accidentally. >Another thing, real Dataset Names are unnecessary.

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Dave, The JCLIN is not an actual job. It is just a bunch of statements which get scanned for keywords, much like what recruiters do on LinkedIn. I usually try to make sure that it is not executable in case in gets  SUBMITd accidentally. Another thing, real Dataset Names are unnecessary. All

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Dave Jousma
>At one time it was a big deal when SNA was all the rage :) >I did forget this once and only once in a VTAM/SNA world, never again >Carmen Vitullo I think that is the case. We arent a huge CICS shop, and havent been using the SVC in the 15+ years I've been here.One less usermod for

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
t sure why the DFHHPSVC is needed either. And >> thanks for the Usermod. I wanted to copy it, not move it. So, this really >> helps. >> >> Jerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On >> Behalf Of Dave Jousma >

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
"VTAM High Performance" Option? Is that still a big deal? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Radoslaw Skorupka Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 1:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage [External Ema

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
it does, and as far as I'm concerned not needed but my CICS/DB2 folks want it moved to NUC   Carmen Vitullo -Original Message- From: RICHARD To: IBM-MAIN Date: Monday, 22 March 2021 1:21 PM CDT Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage Doesn't the CICS

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
really > helps. > > Jerry > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Dave Jousma > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 11:51 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage > > T

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
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Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Edgington, Jerry
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Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Dave Jousma
Jerry, I wouldnt move it, just write a usermod to copy it to NUCLEUS, and update your NUCLSTxx member.Let the CICS guy tell you when it changes, and you need to re-apply your usermod. We incidentally dont install DFHHPSVC. Not sure why, I did ask the CICS guy about it. Here is an old

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread David Purdy
Same here - usermods for IMS and CICS. Our usermod list has been pretty stable since z/OS V2R1 - only added one. David -Original Message- From: Carmen Vitullo To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2021 11:40 am Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage I

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
: Jerry To: IBM-MAIN Date: Monday, 22 March 2021 10:44 AM CDT Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage Thanks Carmen. I was thinking I needed something in the z/OS zone, to notify if something changed with the nucleus, but doesn't seem necessary anymore. :) -Original

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Edgington, Jerry
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Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Message- From: Jerry To: IBM-MAIN Date: Monday, 22 March 2021 10:23 AM CDT Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage Since, we are on the subject for Usermods. How does everyone handle the CICS Usermod of moving the DFHHPSVC from SDFHLOAD to NUCLEUS? I need some way

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Edgington, Jerry
Discussion List On Behalf Of Dave Jousma Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage This message was sent from an external source outside of Western & Southern's network. Do not click links or open attachm

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
equ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN Date: Monday, 22 March 2021 9:58 AM CDT Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage Carmen, We are at V2.4, but I cannot answer your question directly, however we maintain a 11Mb private below the line. I have this usermod that moves most R

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage [EXTERNAL]

2021-03-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Thank you for checking Paul   Carmen Vitullo -Original Message- From: Paul <02fc94e14c43-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN Date: Monday, 22 March 2021 9:59 AM CDT Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage [EXTERNAL] We ar

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
:58 AM CDT Subject: Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage Carmen, We are at V2.4, but I cannot answer your question directly, however we maintain a 11Mb private below the line. I have this usermod that moves most RMODE24 little used modules at our site out of LPALIB and into a lin

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage [EXTERNAL]

2021-03-22 Thread Feller, Paul
: Monday, March 22, 2021 9:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage [EXTERNAL] I'm in the process of testing the upgrade from 2.3 to 2.4 and I've noticed with no changes to LPALST my private storage available below the line has decreased 1M from

Re: Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Dave Jousma
Carmen, We are at V2.4, but I cannot answer your question directly, however we maintain a 11Mb private below the line. I have this usermod that moves most RMODE24 little used modules at our site out of LPALIB and into a linklsted dataset. ++VER(Z038) FMID(HIF7S02).

Upgrade from z/os 2.3 to 2.4 decrease PVT storage

2021-03-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I'm in the process of testing the upgrade from 2.3 to 2.4 and I've noticed with no changes to LPALST my private storage available below the line has decreased 1M from 8168K down to 7144K. I don't see any mention of storage requirement increasing below the line that would account for the