On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:58:02 +0200, R.S. wrote:
>This is clou (the point). Many users, a lot o JCL jobs, people are
>unaware of the JCL, they can only change volser...
>Excuse me, but it looks like kindergarten with no teachers on board. For
>45 years.
>It is not technical issue, this is strong
This is clou (the point). Many users, a lot o JCL jobs, people are
unaware of the JCL, they can only change volser...
Excuse me, but it looks like kindergarten with no teachers on board. For
45 years.
It is not technical issue, this is strong organizational problem. And
this should be fixed.
ted after
>X days of no use.
>
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>Jes Exit 6 seems to
They used to be physically sent out, then FTP'ed, then not sent at all, but
still created for a way to fall back in case of a data loss. Mostly, they are
trash, but we are stuck with them, so we would like to force them to go to DASD
(as cataloged datasets) and then archived so we can manage
Unfortunately, after about 45 years of doing it "this way", the users have a
lot of their own JCL, it would not be economical or feasible to train or expect
thousands of them to change or even know how to change their JCL. Many of them
(most) don't even know what they are editing, they just
My €0.02:
This is typical problem when the goal is NOT defined.
Existing approach seems ridiculous, but it exists. It works.
So, since it works, why to change it? What is the reason? What goal is
to achieve?
More ridiculous are the terms. JCL cannot be changed. WHY???
However JES2 exit6 which
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Jes Exit 6 seems to be the best place to do this. There is only a max of one
dataset per job and it's never re-read
The place that process our (not his) microfiche (later CD-ROMS) wanted
the same DSN name so they only had to type in the volser, and they
would pick up the date and time from the data. So
HLQ.Jobname8.Dyymmdd.Thhmm.FIXED.LAST.NAME17 they would see as the
same.
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 5:43 PM
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 00:06:01 -0500, Brian Westerman wrote:
>They are mifrofiche tapes, and they are not sent out for processing any more.
>They exist only on the off chance that "someday" they might be needed to
>recreate something. When they are needed, they use the DSN=,VOL= to use them.
>
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Jes Exit 6 seems to be the best place to do this. There is only a max of one
dataset per job and it's never re-read in that same job (or any other
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I apologize if this has been discussed
The SYSTEM Symbols can be made available to JES2 batch jobs The shop needs
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ITYM IEFUJV; IEFUJI doesn't have the right interfaces. I'd probably use an
internal text exit.
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Don't forget to expire the old tapes after successful copy.
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ITYM IEFUJV; IEFUJI doesn't have the right interfaces. I'd probably use an
internal text exit.
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Actually I'm leaning towards the JES or SMF UJI exit as well. File tailoring
doesn't help in this case because most of the JCL doesn't get submitted via TSO.
Brian
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 16:41:29 +, Seymour
Maybe use a database like EOS to suck up all those uncataloged tapes and index
them? Hopefully, there is some kind of machine readable index data created
when the fiche tape is created.
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They are mifrofiche tapes, and they are not sent out for processing any more.
They exist only on the off chance that "someday" they might be needed to
recreate something. When they are needed, they use the DSN=,VOL= to use them.
On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 08:50:50 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>On
Is fiche still a thing?
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 11:34 AM Paul Gilmartin <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 09:24:32 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:
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>
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> >As a microfische job, it is a collection of printouts, not used for input.
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> >
>
> ???
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On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 09:24:32 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:
>As a microfische job, it is a collection of printouts, not used for input.
>
???
Write-only memory? Why bother? And why keep them?
Would a temp DSN be suitable?
>On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:51 AM Paul Gilmartin wrote:
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>> On Fri, 18 Sep
As a microfische job, it is a collection of printouts, not used for input.
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:51 AM Paul Gilmartin
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> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:10:24 -0500, Brian Westerman wrote:
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> >I don't see that you can do that with tapes, the
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:10:24 -0500, Brian Westerman wrote:
>I don't see that you can do that with tapes, the hdr1 won't match the new DSN.
>
So the tapes are labeled. Alas.
I'm curious: how do the users access those data sets in subsequent jobs?
Examine the logs of the creating jobs for
JES exit 6
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> They would like an approach tha
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:05:04 -0500, Brian Westerman wrote:
>They would like an approach that didn't include editing the thousands of JCL
>sets.
>
Thousands!? Not just one with parameters!?
The design is wrong. It will remain broken until it's fixed.
Facing a similar requirement once, I
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Hi,
I was asked a question today that I
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Mike designed REXX as a programming language. JCL is not and was never intended
to be a programming language. This is something that should be handled in
I don't see that you can do that with tapes, the hdr1 won't match the new DSN.
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 07:19:33 -0700, Sri h Kolusu wrote:
>>The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically
>catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only
>1 of
I agree, but that decision was made 30 years ago.
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:28:40 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
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>On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 02:36:24 -0500 Brian Westerman
> wrote:
>
>:>I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer. The
>programmer has a (very large) series of
dealing with the existing tapes is doable via a rexx exec that submits a series
of IEBGENER, but it's the JCL that they want (preferably SMS) to deal with.
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 07:12:15 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:34:17 +0800, Brian Fraser wrote:
>
>>Why can't his jobs
They would like an approach that didn't include editing the thousands of JCL
sets.
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:34:17 +0800, Brian Fraser wrote:
>Why can't his jobs generate dsns like HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 ?
>Can use system symbols to generate the date and time in the JCL output DD.
>
>Brian
I'm all for editing the JCL, but they say there are far too many to do at one
time, (and not screw it up)
n Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:32:01 +1000, Greg Price
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>On 2020-09-18 5:36 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
>> would dynamically make it HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123
>
>I don't suppose the
Renaming a tape? The last 17 characters are on the label of the tape
so it must remain the same or any use will result in a Tape DSN name
mismatch. You will also need to Update TMS, RMM, and any tape
management system that uses the data set name. MUCH easier to just
create new tape correctly
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See my earlier. IMO, the answer is Not Possible
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:34:17 +0800, Brian Fraser
>The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically
catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only
1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name.
Generate the RENAME cards in the same program/JCL to rename the file from
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> I can't think of a way to do that in an acs routine, or any other simple way,
> and I'm hoping that someone has an idea that might apply here. I think I can
> alter almost anything about the dataset, except the name. Is there
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 02:36:24 -0500 Brian Westerman
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:>I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer. The
programmer has a (very large) series of jobs that generate fiche tapes that get
created and have a expiration date but never are cataloged (because they all
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:34:17 +0800, Brian Fraser wrote:
>Why can't his jobs generate dsns like HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 ?
>Can use system symbols to generate the date and time in the JCL output DD.
>
I understand that system symbols are not supported in JCL DSNs because of
o ambiguity
Why can't his jobs generate dsns like HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 ?
Can use system symbols to generate the date and time in the JCL output DD.
Brian
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 15:36, Brian Westerman
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> Hi,
>
> I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer.
> The
On 2020-09-18 5:36 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
would dynamically make it HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123
I don't suppose the hard-coded data set name can be changed to include
dynamic system symbols in new low-level qualifiers which would be
resolved to the current date and time?
Cheers,
Greg
Hi,
I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer. The
programmer has a (very large) series of jobs that generate fiche tapes that get
created and have a expiration date but never are cataloged (because they all
have exactly the same DSN). So over time, they ended up
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