Re: z/OS users

2023-08-15 Thread Jon Perryman
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 09:41:03 AM PDT, Tony Harminc > wrote: >> Bruce Hewson wrote: >>fyi - a quick check shows approx 200K users defined.  Is that a big enough >>number? > Until not too many years ago one of the large Canadian banks used > software from my then employer to mana

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-15 Thread Tony Harminc
On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 at 11:12, Phil Smith III wrote: > > Bruce Hewson wrote: > >fyi - a quick check shows approx 200K users defined. Is that a big enough > >number? > > Wow! It sure is. How many of those represent real users who log on, and how > many represent real users who access using someth

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-15 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/15/23 10:12 AM, Phil Smith III wrote: Wow! It sure is. How many of those represent real users who log on, and how many represent real users who access using something else? +1 I'm really not going much of anywhere with this, but I think it's useful info to have to say "This is how much t

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-15 Thread Phil Smith III
Bruce Hewson wrote: >fyi - a quick check shows approx 200K users defined. Is that a big enough >number? Wow! It sure is. How many of those represent real users who log on, and how many represent real users who access using something else? I'm really not going much of anywhere with this, but I

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Bruce Hewson
ref: Phil Smith III fyi - a quick check shows approx 200K users defined. Is that a big enough number? Regards Bruce -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu wit

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Bank tellers do log on when they start work. Most of these scenarios require a unique ID and if they hand over for breaks, they log off and a relief teller will log on with a different ID. There is generally a "supervisor" override. It used to be a physical key they inserted and the teller softwar

Re: z/OS users - State Farm

2023-08-14 Thread Tony Thigpen
For a long time, every State Farm office had an 'unattended VSE' system running on a PC370/PC390. They were pulled out late '80s / early '90s. I remember when the number of installed VSE sites took a nose-dive due to these removals. There was a lot of 'neat' things removed from VSE afterwards.

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Phil Smith III
Matt Hogstrom wrote: >I guess it all comes down to what is the OP trying to determine and >the use of "Users" is ambiguous if you're really counting people >impacted. A fair question. It's nothing very specific-more just a sense of "How many people CAN/DO log onto TSO in your shop these days?" I

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Jon Perryman
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 07:14:36 AM PDT, Phil Smith III > wrote: > How many users do sites typically have these days? > In 1986, University of Waterloo had over 20,000 VM users z/OS is a server and as such, user counts are often irrelevant. TSO, IMS, Unix and CICS can have associated

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Bob Bridges
Never thought about any of that. Since COVID this client has a lot more remote workers (as a contract worker I've been remote for the last decade and a bit more); does that imply anything? Probably not; Backhoe Bob would mess something up on the grounds of the HQ itself, and if he brought the

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Bob Bridges
Reasonable. As a security geek, I tend to think of "users" as anyone who has an ID on the mainframe. If a back end pulls information on its own authority, then thousands of users can use it and it's still just one (high-volume) ID. But if, as sometimes happens, the back-end app logs each user

Re: z/OS users - State Farm

2023-08-14 Thread Bob Bridges
I had an abbreviated contract at State Farm in [checks his records] the spring of 2006; they hired me as a RACF analyst, so I was all TSO there. No idea about other platforms. I just remember boggling at them having more than a hundred LPARs and I forget how many hard-drive units. --- Bob Bri

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/14/23 9:55 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: If we're limiting the count to on-line in-house users - I'm talking about TSO, CICS etc - I suspect State Farm might have a thousand users logged on at a time (that's a massive system) but a few hundred is more usual in the companies I've worked for. Sta

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Bob Bridges
I can find out, if I remember to ask: Two of my sons have worked as tellers. Neither of them happen to be at hand just now, but maybe soon I'll think to ask one of them. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* If there is anything dumber than giving a cigarette to a goril

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Farley, Peter
Subject: Re: z/OS users Fair enough. And what about the tellers? I ask in simple ignorance, never having been one myself; do they log on to a mainframe ID at the beginning of their shift? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com<mailto:robhbrid...@gmail.com>, cell 336 382-7313 /* In

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I guess it all comes down to what is the OP trying to determine and the use of “Users” is ambiguous if you’re really counting people impacted. Matt Hogstrom “It may be cognitive, but, it ain’t intuitive." — Hogstrom > On Aug 14, 2023, at 11:18 AM, Farley, Peter > <031df298a9da-dmarc-req

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Bob Bridges
Fair enough. And what about the tellers? I ask in simple ignorance, never having been one myself; do they log on to a mainframe ID at the beginning of their shift? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* In order to write for "The A-Team", you'd have to be a much better wri

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Farley, Peter
on from their office researching plans for a client or even possibly from a mobile device at a claim investigation site. Peter From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 10:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS users If we&#x

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Bob Bridges
If we're limiting the count to on-line in-house users - I'm talking about TSO, CICS etc - I suspect State Farm might have a thousand users logged on at a time (that's a massive system) but a few hundred is more usual in the companies I've worked for. Currently I have an insurance company as my mai

z/OS users

2023-08-14 Thread Phil Smith III
In another thread, Jon Perryman wrote, in part: >[You're] on a multi-million dollar computer shared by thousands. Pure curiosity here: Without getting into any theology about futures, or that obviously a single, relatively small app or even database could be used in some sense by thousands of us