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From: ibmmain nitz-...@gmx.net
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date: 11/12/2012 12:08 AM
Subject:Re: z10BC Memory Upgrade All-But Impossible
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W dniu 2012-11-11 00:45, Edward Jaffe pisze:
On 11/10/2012 2:25 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
It is possible, even usual in many shops, to continue to use machines
well after they have been withdrawn from marketing.
The inability to obtain more storage or to activate a spare, already
acquired CP is
Edward Jaffe wrote:
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Understand, this is not the price for the memory. This is just the
price to _enable_ the memory.
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It is indeed the price of some trivial, off-the-shelf µcode changes;
and these changes are not very size-sensitive. A [small] flat charge
would have
On Friday 09 November 2012 19:59:33 Edward Jaffe wrote:
Those of you with z10BC machines waiting for the z12BC to come out had
better learn to make do with what you have.
Keep in mind that z10BC is just _one_ generation removed from the current
z114 business class machine. Nevertheless,
And if you listen to Martin, everyone out there on zSeries (of any sort) is
apparently wallowing in memory anyway.
They are. The memory just isn't for z/OS, it is for zLinux. After all,
everybody knows that z/OS makes do without adequate resources, when Linux
applications fail.
You wouldn't
From what I can see, IBM announced the z10EC in February 2008, and the
z10BC in October 2008. Consider that most clients did not get them for
6-12 months after the announcements, and the June 2012 end of life
statement gives just a little over 3 years useful life. You can't even
depreciate a
On 11/10/2012 12:10 PM, Thomas Conley wrote:
From what I can see, IBM announced the z10EC in February 2008, and the z10BC
in October 2008. Consider that most clients did not get them for 6-12 months
after the announcements, and the June 2012 end of life statement gives just a
little over 3
On 11/10/2012 2:25 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
It is possible, even usual in many shops, to continue to use machines
well after they have been withdrawn from marketing.
The inability to obtain more storage or to activate a spare, already
acquired CP is another, much more serious matter. That sort
Thank you.
It's difficult to avoid the conclusion that the objective of these
moves was the very short-term replacement of the z10BC by another,
newer and less 'specialized' model.
John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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For
On Nov 10, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote:
Hardware memory upgrade MES for z10BC was discontinued after June
2012--coincident with marketing withdrawal. If you have pre-planned
memory installed but not activated, you can still get the microcode
memory activation MES until June 2013.
On 11/10/2012 4:11 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
Thank you.
It's difficult to avoid the conclusion that the objective of these
moves was the very short-term replacement of the z10BC by another,
newer and less 'specialized' model.
Or perhaps a way to increase hardware revenues?
--
Edward E Jaffe
Those of you with z10BC machines waiting for the z12BC to come out had better
learn to make do with what you have.
Keep in mind that z10BC is just _one_ generation removed from the current z114
business class machine. Nevertheless, hardware MES were withdrawn earlier this
year and microcode
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:59:33 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote:
A memory upgrade is both hardware (the physical DIMMs) and microcode (enabling
the memory). The only way to get additional memory for a z10 these days is to
buy it on the used market. And, IBM is charging a premium price for the magic
On 11/9/2012 5:46 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote:
Customers rebelled against the constant need to update the OS we've had to
dance to over the last few years, and IBM changed its tune.
To the best of my knowledge, there was no customer rebellion. Rather, customers
were taken completely by surprise
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