Re: CMS TSM admin client

2008-01-03 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 01/02/2008 at 10:22 EST, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And because of the pricing of z/OS cycles, some managers are beginning to forget their blue tattoos and switch to brand X backup/restore products when they see that the zlinux TSM is still not as fully featured as

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2008-01-02 Thread Aria Bamdad
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:06:47 -0700 Mark Post said: On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 2:21 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aria Bamdad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:=20 -snip- Why is it that z/Linux can talk to a channel attached 3590 but TSM can't? According to one of my contacts, it's because there are

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2008-01-02 Thread Mark Post
On Wed, Jan 2, 2008 at 10:41 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aria Bamdad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- But I am not using FICON attached tape. I use an ESCON attached 3590 that is in reality a SCSI drive but connected to a ESCON attached controller. Same difference. The channel

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2008-01-02 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 01/02/2008 at 10:44 EST, Aria Bamdad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I am not using FICON attached tape. I use an ESCON attached 3590 that is in reality a SCSI drive but connected to a ESCON attached controller. Whether ESCON or FICON, it doesn't matter. IBM likes to invent new

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2008-01-02 Thread David Boyes
Further, TSM would have to change You could have stopped here... 8-(. to integrate tape management with mainframe tape management systems. That is, it would need to use something like the new eRMM APIs that can talk to z/OS tape managers. Would be nice. Otherwise, I guess it's left as an

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2008-01-02 Thread Mike Walter
PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: CMS TSM admin client Further, TSM would have to change You could have stopped here... 8-(. to integrate tape management with mainframe tape management systems

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2008-01-02 Thread Thomas Kern
And because of the pricing of z/OS cycles, some managers are beginning to forget their blue tattoos and switch to brand X backup/restore products when they see that the zlinux TSM is still not as fully featured as MAINFRAME software should be. Tape management and shared drives have been such

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2007-12-31 Thread Mark Post
On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 2:21 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aria Bamdad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Why is it that z/Linux can talk to a channel attached 3590 but TSM can't? According to one of my contacts, it's because there are some SCSI commands that TSM uses, which are not

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2007-12-31 Thread Mark Post
On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 3:19 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aria Bamdad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- I never understand the marketing thinking behind Tivoli products. You're making a rash assumption that thinking is involved at all. Mark Post

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2007-12-29 Thread Raymond Higgs
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 12/28/2007 09:40:22 AM: On Thursday, 12/27/2007 at 04:18 EST, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about if IBM allowed a zIIP or zAAP to do this? zIIPs and zAAPs are designed to reduce the software costs associated

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2007-12-28 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 12/27/2007 at 04:18 EST, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about if IBM allowed a zIIP or zAAP to do this? zIIPs and zAAPs are designed to reduce the software costs associated with z/OS. You could get an IFL for the same price and use any left-over cycles for Other

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2007-12-28 Thread David Boyes
But I think I'd rather see the System z FCP adapter support being a *target* WWPN+LUN. That would open up the moral equivalent of SAN Volume Controller (or maybe SVC itself!) on System z. The targeted device driver could emulate any kind of SCSI device it wanted to, hiding the backend

CMS TSM admin client

2007-12-27 Thread Arty Ecock
Hi, I had occasion to attempt to use the TSM 3.1 admin client on CMS today. With a few changes to DSM OPT, that admin client can talk quite nicely with my TSM 5.4 server on z/Linux. I sure miss the CMS TSM server, but having a CMS TSM admin client is quite handy. Cheers, Arty

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2007-12-27 Thread David Boyes
I had occasion to attempt to use the TSM 3.1 admin client on CMS today. With a few changes to DSM OPT, that admin client can talk quite nicely with my TSM 5.4 server on z/Linux. I sure miss the CMS TSM server, but having a CMS TSM admin client is quite handy. Providing an iSCSI target

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2007-12-27 Thread Aria Bamdad
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:35:54 -0500 David Boyes said: I had occasion to attempt to use the TSM 3.1 admin client on CMS today. With a few changes to DSM OPT, that admin client can talk quite nicely with my TSM 5.4 server on z/Linux. I sure miss the CMS TSM server, but having a CMS TSM

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2007-12-27 Thread David Boyes
Providing an iSCSI target server virtual machine for CMS that understood channel-attached tape drives would cure a lot of my complaints about losing the CMS TSM server. (The Linux TSM server understands iscsi targets). It also occurs to me that this approach would eliminate the need for the

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2007-12-27 Thread Arty Ecock
Hi, On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:31:10 -0500 David Boyes said: It also occurs to me that this approach would eliminate the need for the specialized Linux OCO device drivers entirely (assuming that you also just require VM instead of supporting LPAR). Would lin_tape (non-OCO, see

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2007-12-27 Thread David Boyes
A downside for the iSCSI approach is that I don't think the packet processing for VSWITCH traffic gets offloaded to the I/O processors, so you'd use up more CPU to drive tape operations. Of course, I've been lobbying for a specialized network processor engine for a while; this would be

Re: CMS TSM admin client

2007-12-27 Thread David Boyes
Would lin_tape (non-OCO, see ftp://index.storsys.ibm.com/devdrvr/Linux) help? Nope. Lin_tape solves a different problem. Lin_tape still remains device-specific (in terms of the actual end device), and still doesn't allow the Linux guests to take advantage of a common TMS (like VM:Tape or