Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread Steve Mitchell
on. Since th en this guest runs in the 40-50% range vs the 90-80%. What I am unable to understand is why did one linux guest 'swapping' cause the IFL to be totally consumed? NOTE: VM worked great no other guests were effectted to the point user's complained.

Re: Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread Robert J Brenneman
Just a guess till the experts chime in: Linux disk I/O activity requires more CPU time than traditional Z Operating systems - so when one guest starts driving 5000 I/O ops per second to the swap device ( FBA mode vdisk in my case ) that in itself consumes a big chunk of CPU. Then there's the

Re: Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread Barton Robinson
The last time I looked at the cost of swap to vdisk, at 1,000 per second, used 10% of an 890 processor. It's very hard to constrain a system to swap this much, this was in the lab pushing limits not normally pushed. With z10 IFL significantly faster, swapping to vdisk would not be a

Re: Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread P L Lovely
buy you more z memory! Regards -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Robert J Brenneman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Linux Guest 'swapping' Just a guess till the experts chime

Re: Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread David Kreuter
this issue, and as a result over commits can be much higher. David Kreuter From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Barton Robinson Sent: Wed 1/28/2009 10:36 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Linux Guest 'swapping' The last time I

Re: Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
-- *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Barton Robinson *Sent:* Wed 1/28/2009 10:36 AM *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *Subject:* Re: [IBMVM] Linux Guest 'swapping' The last time I looked at the cost of swap to vdisk, at 1,000 per second, used 10% of an 890 processor. It's very hard

Re: Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread David Kreuter
Oracles, others with few huge Oracles, and both work really well. Unlike WAS environments. David From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Mary Anne Matyaz Sent: Wed 1/28/2009 12:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Linux Guest 'swapping

Re: Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread Mark Post
On 1/28/2009 at 9:57 AM, Robert J Brenneman bren...@gmail.com wrote: Just a guess till the experts chime in: Linux disk I/O activity requires more CPU time than traditional Z Operating systems - so when one guest starts driving 5000 I/O ops per second to the swap device ( FBA mode vdisk

Re: Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread Jack Woehr
Mark Post wrote: My experience isn't that it's the CPU cost of the paging I/O. It's more that Linux, like any other virtual storage operating system, can get into a thrashing mode, and all the kernel is doing is lots and lots of memory management. The system runs at 100% busy, and nothing

Re: Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread Marcy Cortes
. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:26 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Linux Guest 'swapping' On 1/28/2009 at 9:57 AM, Robert J Brenneman bren...@gmail.com

Re: Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread Mark Post
On 1/28/2009 at 1:11 PM, Jack Woehr j...@well.com wrote: -snip- Linux on workstations and servers is not easy to push over the brink into thrashing. Not hard at all. Just put 20 pounds of workload into a 10pound bag, which is exactly what happens on System z as well. Mark Post

Re: Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:34 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Linux Guest 'swapping' That's been my experience as well. You may want to look at the vm.swappiness setting. We changed it from 60 to 20

Re: Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread Marcy Cortes
...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:02 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Linux Guest 'swapping' Hi Marcy, Forgive my ignorance but what is the vm.swappiness setting? Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information

Re: Linux Guest 'swapping'

2009-01-28 Thread Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:08 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Linux Guest 'swapping' It's a kernel setting. Googling provided this definition: Swappiness is a kernel knob (located in /proc/sys/vm/swappiness) used to tweak how