Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-13 Thread David Boyes
> The solution for customers with lots of small iSeries/System i > boxes today running IBM i (formerly i5/OS formerly OS/400) is to Good grief -- it's like going to IKEA with these folks. Name change just Because We Can. > put in a Power blade (JS12 or JS22). You save a lot of space and > get to

Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-13 Thread David Boyes
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, David Boyes wrote: > > ... AIX/370 was a perverse evil mutant thing > > from hell that didn't die a second too soon. Modern AIX (ie post-AIX 4) > > is actually a pretty nice OS, and a lot different from AIX/370 or AIX/RT > > (which spawned it). ...

Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-11 Thread Jack Woehr
Rick Troth wrote: Back to BSD ... There have been no less than a half dozen Unix for the mainframe, not counting the EBCDIC animals USS and OpenVM. Up to now, all have been very AT&T-esque, so a Berzerkeley port would be refreshing. If anyone wants to continue the discussion on a dedicated

Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-11 Thread Rick Troth
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, David Boyes wrote: > ... AIX/370 was a perverse evil mutant thing > from hell that didn't die a second too soon. Modern AIX (ie post-AIX 4) > is actually a pretty nice OS, and a lot different from AIX/370 or AIX/RT > (which spawned it). ... Umm... To

Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-10 Thread Jim Elliott
>> Already virtualized on its own platform, sounds rare and kinky >> to duplicate that on the 390. > Not really. There are a lot of large shops that have > significant numbers of small to medium iSeries boxen that > they'd give their grandmother's eyeteeth to move to either > Intel or z virtual ma

Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-10 Thread Jack Woehr
Jack Woehr wrote: Hmm. I've been thinking of writing a blog "everything's a virtual machine". You've convinced me to do so! http://dobbscodetalk.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Everything-Is-A-Virtual-Machine.html&Itemid=29 -- Jack J. Woehr# "Self-delusion is http://www.well.

Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-10 Thread Jack Woehr
David Boyes wrote: to move to either Intel or Z virtual machines so that they could completely eliminate an entire hardware platform Ah. Been in an machine tool factory or IKEA recently? We're actually seeing an uptick in OpenVMS now that it runs on reasonably inexpensive Intel hardware. It

Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-09 Thread David Boyes
> > If we do another native OS port, I'd be more interested in bringing > > i5OS > Already virtualized on its own platform, sounds rare and kinky to > duplicate that > on the 390. Not really. There are a lot of large shops that have significant numbers of small to medium iSeries boxen that they'd

Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-09 Thread David Boyes
> While I admit that time is a determining factor for an individual, you > know > how much (time) a port costs and ... Painfully well. Especially in having to spend time with lawyers to CMA. > The problem is that it's not the "oh it boots and gets to single user > and...", multiuser, networking,

Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-09 Thread Jack Woehr
Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, David Boyes wrote: Yeah, it would. I just don't think anyone's got the spare time to spend on something that has even less commercial support than Linux and OpenSolaris. Lot's of consulting hours to sell to migrate Sparc people to z aeh linux and sola

Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-09 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, David Boyes wrote: Hi, z/OpenBSD -- wibni? Yeah, it would. I just don't think anyone's got the spare time to spend on something that has even less commercial support than Linux and OpenSolaris. While I admit that time is a determining factor for an individual

Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-09 Thread Jack Woehr
David Boyes wrote: If we do another native OS port, I'd be more interested in bringing i5OS Already virtualized on its own platform, sounds rare and kinky to duplicate that on the 390. AIX Died a slow and natural death on the mainframe in the 1980's. OpenVMS would be even more attractive fr

Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-09 Thread Jack Woehr
David Boyes wrote: z/OpenBSD -- wibni? Yeah, it would. I just don't think anyone's got the spare time to spend on something that has even less commercial support than Linux and OpenSolaris. The justification for doing both Linux and OpenSolaris had to do with mindshare and

Re: z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-09 Thread David Boyes
> z/OpenBSD -- wibni? Yeah, it would. I just don't think anyone's got the spare time to spend on something that has even less commercial support than Linux and OpenSolaris. The justification for doing both Linux and OpenSolaris had to do with mindshare and commercial access, with Li

z/OpenBSD -- wibni?

2008-10-09 Thread Jack Woehr
z/OpenBSD -- wibni? http://dobbscodetalk.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=OpenBSD-390.html&Itemid=29 I'm bcc'ing Theo de Raadt ... he'll probably scold me, justly, for not having ported the kernel myself already, but really, I don't know enough to be confide