Re: [IceHorses] It's Not Pretty

2007-02-06 Thread Wanda Lauscher
Charm looks like she's doing really well. That's basically how we started training Gusti with ground driving, we just took him walking like that everywhere. With Charm, she squealed, jumped and turned, and stomped the ground. I was set to take a picture of them greeting each other, and in

[IceHorses] Full chaps

2007-02-06 Thread Virginia Tupper
I saw some full chaps on eBay for a great price but I'm not sure how they're supposed to fit--would I want them loose on my upper thigh or tight? Thanks, V

Re: [IceHorses] It's Not Pretty

2007-02-06 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/5/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://iceryder.net/charmgrounddrive.html Looks like she's saying 'stop nibbling my grass'. V

Re: [IceHorses] pictures of Scooter in 80 degrees

2007-02-06 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/5/07, Lorraine Voog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I finally took some new pictures of Scooter. Lorraine What a doll!!! V

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Laree Shulman
as stress can cause ulcers in the horse and also can be responsible for some bad behaviors. I'm confused, I know there's a lot of anecdotal evidence of this but I thought it has been proven that stomach ulcers are caused by a virus or bacteria - is the virus/bacteria stress induced? -- Laree

Re: [IceHorses] Treating abrasions

2007-02-06 Thread pippa258
Karen Thomas wrote: Starri has rubbed a quarter-size area about 1/2 below his eye. Can you try putting a fly mask on it until it starts healing? It won't stop a windburn if that's what it is, but it will make it harder for him to rub the skin off - it can break the cycle. I woke up in

[IceHorses] Re: Learn something new every day...

2007-02-06 Thread kim morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, now has anyone ever heard of a PINK dun? There's one on this page, near the bottom, Drift Frá Ytra-Dalsgerði : http://www.valhallaicelandic.com/sales_sold_horses.html I think Buck is a pink dun. Hehehe. Now I

[IceHorses] Re: Treating abrasions

2007-02-06 Thread kim morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, pippa258 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Starri has rubbed a quarter-size area about 1/2 below his eye. He has rubbed all the hair off and the lower half is raw. I've been putting antibiotic cream over it and diaper rash cream on top of that to try and keep

Re: [IceHorses] Treating abrasions

2007-02-06 Thread pippa258
SHERREL LEININGER wrote: I thought of 2 things. One was rescue remedy creme. The other is Preparation H. This will calm down the raw part but I am worried about it so close to his eye. Will the numbing agent harm the eyeball? With it below the eye if it runs down at least it will not run in

Re: [IceHorses] Learn something new every day...

2007-02-06 Thread pippa258
Karen Thomas wrote: Ok, now has anyone ever heard of a PINK dun? There's one on this page, near the bottom, Drift Frá Ytra-Dalsgerði : http://www.valhallaicelandic.com/sales_sold_horses.html I think Buck is a pink dun. Hehehe. Now I know he's going to kick me the next time I see him. Pink

Re: [IceHorses] Treating abrasions

2007-02-06 Thread Stephanie Caldwell
On 2/6/07, pippa258 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I woke up in the middle of the night last night worrying about what is the freezing point of Desitin and antibiotic cream! I did try a fly mask on him but within a few minutes there was cream on the mask and I thought it might get in his eye

[IceHorses] MY confidence

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
I have sorta lost my confidence with Stonewall! I hate to admit it but Lord who cares, its to be expected I guess! I havent been able to ride since because of various problems but I could have ridden this weekend and didnt. I accomplished lots of groundwork with him and all my other horses but

Re: [IceHorses] WI- EHV-1 ALERT !!

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=8878 Raven, thanks for keeping us updated on these types of articles. It is appreciated! i read that the quaratines in fla have been lifted and no more outbreaks... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
On 2/6/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as stress can cause ulcers in the horse and also can be responsible for some bad behaviors. I'm confused, I know there's a lot of anecdotal evidence of this but I thought it has been proven that stomach ulcers are caused by a virus or

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
a man in our area just had a horse put down that no one could find anything wrong with, not the vet, no one. He just got thinner and thinner and kept colicking and biting his sides. So the owner felt he suffered and had him put down. My farrier told me about it the other day and I asked if it

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
or maybe they have the bacteria always there and it gets flared up by stress?? Janice-- yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] Full chaps

2007-02-06 Thread Stephanie Caldwell
On 2/6/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw some full chaps on eBay for a great price but I'm not sure how they're supposed to fit--would I want them loose on my upper thigh or tight? Very snug at first, they will stretch some. Be sure to measure over all the layers you'd

[IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Rene Adams
Gunnar was scoped and found to have ulcers in December. He had a rating of 2 out of 4 being mild. He was on gastroguard for a month and then a maintenance treatment for a month. Guess what, he is now colicing almost every other day. I have an appointment on Thursday to get re -scoped and

Re: [IceHorses] pictures of Scooter in 80 degrees

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
On 2/5/07, Lorraine Voog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I finally took some new pictures of Scooter. Lorraine Happy Trails Lorraine, what color is scooter? Is he palomino?? I am noticing a lot of icelandic palominos are very very light, what is sometimes called Isabella. I wonder if that is

[IceHorses] Re: It's Not Pretty

2007-02-06 Thread kim morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kind of a violent reaction to company isn't it? Maybe there is a reason she's living alone. I'd tend to think the opposite - that she reacts so strongly because she lives alone. A lot of mares (at least

Re: [IceHorses] Treating abrasions

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
On 2/5/07, pippa258 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Starri has rubbed a quarter-size area about 1/2 below his eye. He has rubbed all the hair off and the lower half is raw. I've been putting antibiotic cream over it and diaper rash cream on top of that to try and keep the dirt out and protect the

RE: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Karen Thomas
I'm confused, I know there's a lot of anecdotal evidence of this but I thought it has been proven that stomach ulcers are caused by a virus or bacteria - is the virus/bacteria stress induced? In humans, yes, but in the horse research I've seen, there's a huge link to stress. I don't know which

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Learn something new every day...

2007-02-06 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi --- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, now has anyone ever heard of a PINK dun? There's one on this page, near the bottom, Drift Frá Ytra-Dalsgerði : http://www.valhallaicelandic.com/sales_sold_horses.html The term pink is generally used with horses

[IceHorses] Benefits of CT

2007-02-06 Thread Judy Ryder
From the clickryder list: Just a little observation I made recently that might be of interest to others. I've recently been having some dressage lessons with an instructor, who is not a CT trainer. She rode Elmo to demonstrate to me the sort of muscle release she was looking for in the horse.

Re: [IceHorses] Learn something new every day...

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
On this page, there is someone who does bird trials with their Icelandic http://www.valhallaicelandic.com/testimonials.html#willy (about 1/2 way down). Trish The dog in her lap is the right kind of bird dog, maybe I will see her someday! janice -- yipie tie yie yo

[IceHorses] Re: MY confidence

2007-02-06 Thread kim morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have sorta lost my confidence with Stonewall! I hate to admit it but Lord who cares, its to be expected I guess! I havent been able to ride since because of various problems but I could have ridden this weekend

Re: [IceHorses] MY confidence

2007-02-06 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/6/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have sorta lost my confidence with Stonewall! I hate to admit it but Lord who cares, its to be expected I guess! That's how I was getting with Orri with his bolting--now that I'm doing groundwork with him (PNH) I feel we're building a

Re: [IceHorses] Re: MY confidence

2007-02-06 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/6/07, kim morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think sometimes this is ok. I became afraid of all horses at one point and didn't want to be anywhere around any horses but my own. Sounds sort of what I'm going through--even with Orri bolting with me, I prefer riding him or Gat rather than

Re: [IceHorses] Full chaps

2007-02-06 Thread bunksmit
Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw some full chaps on eBay for a great price but I'm not sure how they're supposed to fit--would I want them loose on my upper thigh or tight? Virginia, As tight as possible. They will stretch and the snugger the better--almost to the

[IceHorses] Re: Rory and Millie

2007-02-06 Thread kim morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1764567/posts That's pretty cute! Kim

RE: [IceHorses] Full chaps

2007-02-06 Thread Karen Thomas
Very snug at first, they will stretch some. Steph, you just proved that you are very young. It's a well-known fact that NOTHING that encompasses the thighs ever stretches - it will only shrink. I have a closet full of jeans that prove that point. ::( Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[IceHorses] Saddleright pad

2007-02-06 Thread Virginia Tupper
Hubby is gonna be upset--I've got a Burr pad on order for my Sensation, and I just now won a Saddleright pad on eBay (item #250079468804). I've always been curious about the Saddleright pad so I thought I'd see if I could get one on eBay, mostly to use with the school horses (my currently

Re: [IceHorses] It's Not Pretty

2007-02-06 Thread Judy Ryder
Charm looks like she's doing really well. That's basically how we started training Gusti with ground driving, we just took him walking like that everywhere. It's fun to shape the young horse and expose them to different things. She's funny, as she likes to go out, and then does a few stops

RE: [IceHorses] Re: MY confidence

2007-02-06 Thread Karen Thomas
Sounds sort of what I'm going through--even with Orri bolting with me, I prefer riding him or Gat rather than the school horses. The school horses never gave me any reason for not feeling secure with them other than they're not mine. Virginia, when you're ready to start back riding Orri, here's

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Laree Shulman
Any ideas would help for trying to figure this out. Wow, Renee, how frustrating! Unfortunately, I don't have any insights, but I wish you luck -- Laree

[IceHorses] SE Study

2007-02-06 Thread Judy Ryder
SE Study, 2004: The objectives of the present study were to quantify the importance of systematic environmental and genetic influences on the prevalence and severity of summer eczema in Icelandic horses. In the context of this study, 490 Icelandic horses from 24 stud farms located in Lower

RE: [IceHorses] SE Study

2007-02-06 Thread Karen Thomas
. In horses imported from Iceland, the inbreeding coefficient significantly influenced the prevalence of summer eczema. Wow - does that mean that it was more common in inbred horses? That wouldn't surprise me, but I'd never thought of that. I just don't like the idea of inbreeding, even if you

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
maintenance treatment for a month. Guess what, he is now colicing almost every other day. I have an appointment on Thursday to get re -scoped and check out more. Do you know where, within the stomach, the original ulcer is? I think the duodenal ulcers may be worse. i wonder if

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Learn something new every day...

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
The term pink is generally used with horses that are actually what we would call a yellow dun - actually they really look more orangey than yellow but some do have a pinkish tinge so in Iceland they just call them pink. Funny I haven't heard it for quite a while but since Steinar is Diddi's

RE: [IceHorses] Re: MY confidence

2007-02-06 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Karen, Can you find a really easy-going, low-key and confident rider to get on him first, and just do a very ho-hum ride around the ring for a few minutes? This is a great suggestion. Very often if a rider has had a bad experience we hold the picture of it in our mind. If we can see

[IceHorses] Re: MY confidence

2007-02-06 Thread kim morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He said he'd work Orri for me but I'm holding off on that--the last time he sat Orri was when he wanted Orri to back up his way, not the way we had been doing it, and he insisted until Orri reared. My instructor

Re: [IceHorses] Re: MY confidence

2007-02-06 Thread Judy Ryder
instructor calls Orri a dominant bully who needs to be taught a lesson about who's the boss. I think that's why we have this list to get away from that type of thinking. It's a very old paradigm and very unfair to the horse. Even the wording is wrong: taught a lesson. To teach a

RE: [IceHorses] Re: MY confidence

2007-02-06 Thread Karen Thomas
The one I think of first is my daughter, Alex. She's ridden Orri, trotted with him too. I haven't let her since the bolting started though--my fears, not hers. One of the most humiliating moments of our horse-owning lives (and there have been many!) was when we leased Mac for a month before we

RE: [IceHorses] Learn something new every day...

2007-02-06 Thread Karen Thomas
karen, that horse is absolutely no different whatsoever in color than your horse Lucy Recardo fra Cuba Libre! Lucy-Runa Ricardo fra Cuba Libre is a little darker I think. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [IceHorses] Re: MY confidence

2007-02-06 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/6/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe that's a possible ulcer-producing situation in the making. Yeah--for the horse and me! V

RE: [IceHorses] pictures of Scooter - palominos

2007-02-06 Thread Karen Thomas
Lorraine, what color is scooter? Is he palomino?? I am noticing a lot of icelandic palominos are very very light, what is sometimes called Isabella. I wonder if that is because the hair is so long and dense and underneath it is darker? just curious. Scooter is very beautiful. I'm not

Re: [IceHorses] Re: MY confidence

2007-02-06 Thread Raven
Hi Janice, I'm a bit late in chiming in on this. I sure can understand how you must feel! I rode a very HOT ...HOT horse for many years. Riding Wizard was like riding a firecracker, not knowing when it would explode. I loved that horse so much. But..now looking back, I should have retired him a

Re: [IceHorses] Re: MY confidence

2007-02-06 Thread susan cooper
Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Janice, I guess what I am trying to say is this. You need to figure out why Stonewall is doing what is he doing. Is it fear? Or is he being defiant...a bully? Yes! My problems and loss of confidence with Raven and Whisper were from these 2 things. Raven

[IceHorses] SE

2007-02-06 Thread Judy Ryder
From an equine dermitology lecture:Culicoides Hypersensitivity: p 10 2 yrs is usually age of onset sometimes yearlings, usually some time in first two years of life. or within two years of moving into an area dorsal feeders - mane and tail involvement ventral feeders - ventral midline

Re: [IceHorses] pictures of Scooter - palominos

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
On 2/6/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lorraine, what color is scooter? Is he palomino?? I am noticing a lot of icelandic palominos are very very light, what is sometimes called Isabella. I wonder if that is because the hair is so long and dense and underneath it is darker? just

RE: [IceHorses] pictures of Scooter - palominos

2007-02-06 Thread Karen Thomas
I have noticed this and wondered if the longer hair and denser undercoat etc may make a difference in the color? Sina's hair coat is just like any other hair coat in the spring and summer. The long hair is just a winter thing. She's pale in the summer too. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [IceHorses] SDS Lotion

2007-02-06 Thread SHERREL LEININGER
I don't think I have ever heard of SDS horse ointment. Where do you get it? Who puts it out? Sherrel

Re: [IceHorses] Needed more than a t-shirt today

2007-02-06 Thread pippa258
Karen Thomas wrote: I'm trying it! I bought a pair of waterproof Ariat Terrains but they are too big so have to wear my thin-soled boots till I can do an exchange. I'm double-socked now and it's not helping...where's that cayenne! Don't' just buy the waterproof Terrains - get the insulated

Re: [IceHorses] need more than a tshirt

2007-02-06 Thread Anna Hopkins
I think I've read that too, Laree - the old what-ya-call-it cycle. I don't use them TOO often, but I have to sometimes. The eye drops you want to stay away from-the ones that cause the redness 'rebound' effect are the ones that say 'gets the red out'. Those have the vasoconstrictors that

Re: [IceHorses] MY confidence

2007-02-06 Thread SHERREL LEININGER
Hey Janice I have sorta lost my confidence with Stonewall! I too took one too many falls and lost my confidence to put my foot in the stirrup. It has been over 7 years since that last accident and I still get the shakes when it comes to mounting time. I don't have shake one with ground work.

Re: [IceHorses] Benefits of CT

2007-02-06 Thread SHERREL LEININGER
, she commented how responsive Elmo was to her saying 'good boy!' every time he offered the right sort of muscle release, which made riding/training him easier. He clearly understood that it was a 'yes' signal, and was actively trying to work out what it was she was after. Judy I think she

Re: [IceHorses] pictures of Scooter - palominos

2007-02-06 Thread SHERREL LEININGER
I have noticed this and wondered if the longer hair and denser undercoat etc may make a difference in the color? Sina's hair coat is just like any other hair coat in the spring and summer. The long hair is just a winter thing. She's pale in the summer too. I have a non-icelandic horse

RE: [IceHorses] pictures of Scooter - palominos

2007-02-06 Thread Lorraine Voog
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lorraine, what color is scooter? Is he palomino?? I am noticing a lot of icelandic palominos are very very light, what is sometimes called Isabella. I wonder if that is because the hair is so long and dense and underneath it is darker? just

Re: [IceHorses] Did I reply right?

2007-02-06 Thread Judy Ryder
Did I reply right? I need to get it right once and for all. Lorraine Yes, good job! First you quote a sentence or two from the previous post, and then put your response *below* the quoted text, and delete everything else, including the stuff at the bottom of the message. It should look