Re: [IceHorses] Riding in Crested Butte

2007-08-28 Thread Lorraine
> > > Beautiful pics! Now tell us all about it! > It reminded me of Tahoe. We rode through a grove of aspens. And the mountains were huge and green. And the weather was so cool. It was heaven. I got to ride a Kentucky mnt horse. She was sweet. Great trip Happy Trails from Lorraine

Re: [IceHorses] Hlynur

2007-08-28 Thread Judy Ryder
>>>How tall is grandpa? Is he a > tank? Yes, he is a tank. I don't have an exact measurement, but I think he's about an inch shorter than Charm, so maybe 12.2? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

RE: [IceHorses] Daur's eys - excessive tearing

2007-08-28 Thread Lorraine
> We've had to have that done for our App. > > Ok. I am dumb. I thought that was a medicine. It is part of the duct. And what do you flush it with? Saline solution? Happy Trails from Lorraine Be

Re: [IceHorses] Father and son, for Nancy

2007-08-28 Thread Robyn Schulze
> Melnir and son, Isak, taken when Isak was a taupe little boy with taupe > eyelashes... Are those buttercups? Robyn S

Re: [IceHorses] Daur's eys - excessive tearing

2007-08-28 Thread Robyn Schulze
> > And where do you get that? From a vet? Yes. You know, if this has been going on for a while you really should have a vet come out and look at his eye. Someone else mentioned uveitis (pronounced you-vee-eye-tis) which can lead to irreversible blindness. First signs of that are squinting and t

Re: [IceHorses] Riding in Crested Butte

2007-08-28 Thread susan cooper
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Just wanted to bore you with some pictures from > vacation > Beautiful pics! Now tell us all about it! Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ ___

[IceHorses] My boring pics

2007-08-28 Thread Lorraine
Just wanted to know if it worked what I did through Kodak. Let me Know. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lorraine Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.co

RE: [IceHorses] Daur's eys - excessive tearing

2007-08-28 Thread Lorraine
> managed by flushing the duct (nasolacrimal). > Gerrill stood completely And where do you get that? From a vet? Happy Trails from Lorraine Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top

RE: [IceHorses] The perfect neck

2007-08-28 Thread Lorraine
> > You don't think he's a little ribby? :) > > I was going to say something. You ought to feed him more. Geeezzz. Just went out to check Dagur. He is so warm. The other too are fine. Happy Trails from Lorraine

RE: [IceHorses] Hlynur

2007-08-28 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> I went to see Hlynur today and took him for a walk. He's a good ol' boy :-). He is also Isak's grandfather. Isak got Daddy Melnir's head...but I think the rest of him came from Flekka and Hlynur's family. He's built like mama. How tall is grandpa? Is he a tank? Isak looks to me like he

RE: [IceHorses] Daur's eys - excessive tearing

2007-08-28 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Excessive tearing is often due to blocked tear ducts. This is easily managed by flushing the duct (nasolacrimal). Gerrill stood completely still with no sedation. It only takes a few minutes to do. We've had to have that done for our App. Karen Thomas, NC

[IceHorses] Daur's eys - excessive tearing

2007-08-28 Thread Docnshop2
I don't know how the last message got so messed up with question marks. Excessive tearing is often due to blocked tear ducts. This is easily managed by flushing the duct (nasolacrimal). Gerrill stood completely still with no sedation. It only takes a few minutes to do. Once this was do

Re: [IceHorses] Breeding Genetics

2007-08-28 Thread Janice McDonald
On 8/28/07, Pam Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>sometimes on these lists I feel like I could > post "they are about to drop a hydrogen bomb on all your homes << > > So I guess I don't understand your postl What do you mean? > just ignore me i was having a frustrated witchy moment and going

Re: [IceHorses] The perfect neck

2007-08-28 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 28/08/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You don't think he's a little ribby? :) Yes, but it's interesting. I should study this carefully. I'm fairly certain none of my horses even HAVE ribs so I have no experience with ribs whatsoever. Wanda

RE: [IceHorses] The perfect neck

2007-08-28 Thread Karen Thomas
Wow. He is cute. You don't think he's a little ribby? :) Karen Thomas, NC

Re: [IceHorses] was question for Karen,question for Anneleise

2007-08-28 Thread Anneliese Virro
I smear the stuff >> around their eyes. But they do know that it helps >> them and also keeps the >> flies away from their eyes, so they hold real still >> when I apply it. >> >> Anneliese > > > > Do you still use a mask??? Yes, but not always. Anneliese

[IceHorses] Riding in Crested Butte

2007-08-28 Thread lorvoog
Just wanted to bore you with some pictures from vacation You're invited to view these photos online at KODAK EASYSHARE Gallery! Just click on View Photos to get started. http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=dhvd1vg.tzt6rpg&x=1&y=-1d4qpu If you'd like to save this album, just sign in, or

Re: [IceHorses] The perfect neck

2007-08-28 Thread Lorraine
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I took my little friend, Breyer, out with me to > model. > Wow. He is cute. Happy Trails from Lorraine Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flight

RE: [IceHorses] Hauler? AZ to CO

2007-08-28 Thread Lorraine
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Did you ever get anyone to take the AZ horse to > Colorado? > > Too bad we didn't take our trailer. We just went to Co. Happy Trails from Lorraine L

Re: [IceHorses] was question for Karen,question for Anneleise

2007-08-28 Thread Lorraine
> > Yes, and my SE horses do look funny quite often when > I smear the stuff > around their eyes. But they do know that it helps > them and also keeps the > flies away from their eyes, so they hold real still > when I apply it. > > Anneliese Do you still use a mask???

Re: [IceHorses] question for Karen

2007-08-28 Thread Lorraine
> but my name has been in > > every post in this thread. Eventually, I will > quit jumping every time I see > > my name in the subject. > > Karen, You are just so popular you know. Happy Trails from Lorraine __

Re: [IceHorses] Dagur's eyes sores.

2007-08-28 Thread Lorraine
> > horses. The Cashels have lasted longer and don't > leave rub marks, as > Janice says. Thanks you guys. I will look up Cashel. I wish I could ride. When we were in Co. I rented horses to get a fix. Plus it was so pretty. We rode in Crested Butte. It is 106 today. Yikes! Happy Tr

RE: [IceHorses] Ewe Neck

2007-08-28 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Karen, can you also do Svertla? Ok, I went out and tried to mark it...but I think you're going to have to rent an x-ray machine for me. I'll look through the pictures now and see what I got. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edit

Re: [IceHorses] Was Question for Karen now Thuya zinc oxide

2007-08-28 Thread Anneliese Virro
On 8/28/07 6:19 PM, "Robyn Hood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Annelise > I didn't know you were selling your place in Ill. Are you moving > permanently to Kentucky? > > Icelandic Horse Farm > Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty > Vernon BC Canada > www.icefarm.com Yes, Robyn, and it is very past due.

Re: [IceHorses] Ewe Neck

2007-08-28 Thread Judy Ryder
> Brenna and her parents Erill and Gersemi have nice (not ewe at all) necks. Sue, can you mark the vertebrae on Brenna's neck so that we can see the S shape curve? Karen, can you also do Svertla? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

[IceHorses] O/T Publisher 2003

2007-08-28 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Is there anyone on this list that knows publisher 2003 really well? I have been using it since last year and suddenly it is doing weird things with my newsletter documents and suddenly my printer can't print the documents. If anyone does could you email be privately if I could call you. Thank

RE: [IceHorses] Hauler? AZ to CO

2007-08-28 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Did you ever get anyone to take the AZ horse to Colorado? I'm on the verge of giving up for a while. The last guy who called me sounded like he needed money for a fix. He called about 1am last night - that didn't exactly win him any pointsI had one bad hauler story - I'm not looking to h

Re: Fw: Re: [IceHorses] Horse Training in Iceland

2007-08-28 Thread kolugil
> I guess my pasture is boring or something! They always seem to want > me to choose them and take them somewhere... > janice-- > yipie tie yie yo my pasture is somewhat over 800 acers so is not boring,but we have not either handled this 2003 year very much just for deworming that is dun here

Re: [IceHorses] Breeding Genetics

2007-08-28 Thread Pam Hansen
>>>sometimes on these lists I feel like I could post "they are about to drop a hydrogen bomb on all your homes << So I guess I don't understand your postl What do you mean?

RE: [IceHorses] Was Question for Karen now Thuya zinc oxide

2007-08-28 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Annelise I didn't know you were selling your place in Ill. Are you moving permanently to Kentucky? Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com

RE: [IceHorses] Hauler? AZ to CO

2007-08-28 Thread Cherie Mascis
Karen: Did you ever get anyone to take the AZ horse to Colorado? Cherie

Re: [IceHorses] question for Karen

2007-08-28 Thread Anneliese Virro
On 8/28/07 5:49 PM, "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is pretty weird. I've never even used Thuja, but my name has been in > every post in this thread. Eventually, I will quit jumping every time I see > my name in the subject. > > Karen Thomas > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sorry, Karen

Re: [IceHorses] Was Question for Karen now Thuya zinc oxide

2007-08-28 Thread Anneliese Virro
On 8/28/07 3:01 PM, "pippa258" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I suppose one could try that but I use THUYA ZINK OXIDE (it is pink). It is > as sticky as the baby stuff but better. > > Anneliese I am in evanston right now (tidying and cleaning the house getting it really to sell) so I cannot c

RE: [IceHorses] question for Karen

2007-08-28 Thread Karen Thomas
This is pretty weird. I've never even used Thuja, but my name has been in every post in this thread. Eventually, I will quit jumping every time I see my name in the subject. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [IceHorses] question for Karen

2007-08-28 Thread Anneliese Virro
> > oh man I gotta get some of that. I have a hood thing on tivar now and > its white with big round eyeholes and if I smeared the pink around his > eyeholes he would loook realy funny. > Janice Yes, and my SE horses do look funny quite often when I smear the stuff around their eyes. But the

[IceHorses] Getting To Yes

2007-08-28 Thread Judy Ryder
Sharon Foley's new clicker training book, which is great: http://iceryder.net/gettingtoyes.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] question for Karen

2007-08-28 Thread Anneliese Virro
On 8/28/07 2:18 PM, "Robyn Schulze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes, it's got thuya in it. > > Be aware that altho it's pronounced "thuya" it's spelled "thuja." > For the ease of finding it. > > Robyn S Thank you, Robyn, it didn't look right; but I don't have the add-on keyboard to my lapt

Re: [IceHorses] Ewe Neck

2007-08-28 Thread Judy Ryder
Thanks for the input, Mic. >>What is "upside down"? > > A neck in which the skeletal conformation gives the appearance of > over-development of the brachiocephalic muscle (which may or may not > be combined with ACTUAL over-development of that muscle!) How do we tell the difference, whether it i

RE: [IceHorses] Ewe Neck

2007-08-28 Thread Cherie Mascis
>Brenna and her parents Erill and Gersemi have nice (not ewe at all) necks. >Sue Brenna is a gorgeous horse and well-built and look..a calm eyed, relaxed horse in a sidepull!! Yeah! Cherie

RE: [IceHorses] Ewe Neck

2007-08-28 Thread Karen Thomas
Usually by a slight dip in front of the withers. That lets you know it's a true skeletal ewe neck, as opposed to one caused through incorrect feeding or training. Just to add another complication, a "dropped crest" can have that appearance too, but is actually caused by a really heavy mane p

Re: [IceHorses] Full Moon Ride

2007-08-28 Thread Lorraine
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I love riding on a full moon! I just did a short > ride on the property last I always wanted to do that. It was beautiful last night here. Kind of warm. Happy Trails from Lorraine

[IceHorses] Was Question for Karen now Thuya zinc oxide

2007-08-28 Thread pippa258
I suppose one could try that but I use THUYA ZINK OXIDE (it is pink). It is as sticky as the baby stuff but better. Anneliese Hi Anneliese, Do you know if it contains a homeopathic dose of thuya (commonly used as an antidote after vaccinations) or does it contain thuja oil? Does it have a

Re: [IceHorses] Dagur's eyes sores.

2007-08-28 Thread Robyn Schulze
I have found the more expensive cashel fly > mask to be way better than others like absorbine, which even tho has a > fleece part across the nose still rubs worse than the cashel, which > doesn't. I've tried several different kinds and I too prefer the Cashel. I use the ones w/ ears, as the ear

Re: [IceHorses] Dagur's eyes sores.

2007-08-28 Thread Janice McDonald
I told her about the swat I think, but I didnt know about the open sores. Sounds to me like annaleise has good advice, but if it were me now I would do everything annaleise says, get a cashel fly mask and try that. But he needs some kinda eye treatment I think, like others have said. Tivar's doe

Re: [IceHorses] question for Karen

2007-08-28 Thread Janice McDonald
> > I suppose one could try that but I use THUYA ZINK OXIDE (it is pink). It is > as sticky as the baby stuff but better. > > Anneliese > oh man I gotta get some of that. I have a hood thing on tivar now and its white with big round eyeholes and if I smeared the pink around his eyeholes he would

Re: [IceHorses] question for Karen

2007-08-28 Thread Robyn Schulze
> Yes, it's got thuya in it. Be aware that altho it's pronounced "thuya" it's spelled "thuja." For the ease of finding it. Robyn S

Re: [IceHorses] Ouch / Tail Docking Shears/banding

2007-08-28 Thread Skye and Sally ~Fire Island
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 8/26/2007 11:24:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Skye, I have rottweilers and that is how I have been doing this for > over > eight years now. My tails are very nice and no problems so far > after all these

Re: [IceHorses] Ewe Neck

2007-08-28 Thread Mic Rushen
>Does a thin horse have a ewe neck? It may appear to have one due to lack of flesh, but a true ewe neck is skeletal, not muscle or fat-based. > >Does a fat horse not have a ewe neck? A horse of any weight may have a ewe neck. > >What is "upside down"? A neck in which the skeletal conformation g

RE: [IceHorses] Interesting conformation thoughts

2007-08-28 Thread Karen Thomas
>> injury too can alter gait just as it does in humans. It sure does. That's one case where a 'faulty" gait might not preclude a horse from being a breeding horse. Some injuries don't bother a mare's ability to carry a foal...and injuries aren't genetically transmitted. (Of course, I guess

[IceHorses] Dagur's eyes

2007-08-28 Thread Docnshop2
Gerill had this problem when we first got him.? He had a blocked tear duct. ? ?? Renee Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

[IceHorses] Herd for Sale

2007-08-28 Thread Judy Ryder
Looks like a herd for sale in CA: stallion, five mares, four weanlings: http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1072000 Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] Great Clicker Training Video

2007-08-28 Thread Judy Ryder
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxh8FT7iGLQ > > > I want to try it this way and see if I can get mine to do this. Super! That's Kris; she's on the ClickRyder list. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

RE: [IceHorses] Breeding Genetics

2007-08-28 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> then several dozens posts "my granny grew lilies, they were yellow and red" My granny only grew orange lilies.Sorry, Janice. I couldn't resist! :) >>> or I could say "a huge paino is about to fall out of a two story building >>> on your head" and someone would post back "I dont know

Re: [IceHorses] Interesting conformation thoughts

2007-08-28 Thread Judy Ryder
>>> An upright shoulder may cause a rough, inelastic ride due to the high > knee action. It increases concussion on front limbs, possibly promoting > the > development of DJD or navicular disease in hard-working horses. The stress > of impact tends to stiffen the muscles of the shoulder, making

Re: [IceHorses] Ewe Neck

2007-08-28 Thread Judy Ryder
>>What criteria are you using to determine a ewe neck? > > A neck which is rather thin, and which looks "upside down". Let's try to pinpoint the criteria so that we all can understand what a ewe neck is. Does a thin horse have a ewe neck? Does a fat horse not have a ewe neck? What is "upside

[IceHorses] LESLIE DESMOND DEMO / Ohio - Thurs Sep 20

2007-08-28 Thread Judy Ryder
Hi folks - please spread the word about this terrific opportunity to see a master of FEEL working with local horses. I can email posters to anyone who would like to help promote this event. Thanks! Karen. HORSE HANDLING AND RIDING THROUGH FEEL WITH LESLIE DESMOND Childr

[IceHorses] Great Clicker Training Video

2007-08-28 Thread Kim Morton
I love this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxh8FT7iGLQ I want to try it this way and see if I can get mine to do this. Kim

Re: [IceHorses] Dagur's eyes sores.

2007-08-28 Thread Anneliese Virro
On 8/27/07 7:00 PM, "Lorraine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was on vacation and was worried about his sores > because I wasn't there to put stuff on them. They > were healed pretty good when I got back. So I put > some swat on them to help them along. Just made them > worse again. I think l

Re: [IceHorses] Full Moon Ride

2007-08-28 Thread Debbie K.
I love full moon rides too... it looks like it was a pefect clear night for a ride.. ya hoo -- Debbie in MN ~ Please check out how we can all help raise money for Huginn's Hospital Fund ~ http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgtrq74d_386xtqp ~~~If we all do a little, we will have a lot~~~

Re: [IceHorses] Interesting conformation thoughts

2007-08-28 Thread Janice McDonald
> > Gait is largely determined by conformation...or maybe I should say that the > "natural" gait is. (I'm ignoring tack, odd riding, devices, and training for > the moment because that's not coming innately from the horse...) > injury too can alter gait just as it does in humans. Sometimes peo

Re: [IceHorses] Breeding Genetics

2007-08-28 Thread Janice McDonald
On 8/27/07, Pam Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> a HYPP attack<<< > > My daughters show horse is H/N not sure where you got N/P. Not sure > what N/P stands for.Unless they have changed it in the last 5 yrs. i got the letter wrong. sometimes on these lists I feel like I could post "they are

Re: [IceHorses] Dagur's eyes sores.

2007-08-28 Thread Janice McDonald
he may have rubbed and got an eyelash in there backwards. Also, some fly masks do not allow room for the eye and cause rubbing of the eyelashes and irritation. I have found the more expensive cashel fly mask to be way better than others like absorbine, which even tho has a fleece part across the

Re: [IceHorses] Charm Wants to Come in the House

2007-08-28 Thread Bernadette
Judy, You're so mean.let her in! Bern

Re: [IceHorses] Ewe Neck

2007-08-28 Thread pyramid
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 08:35:22AM +0100, Mic Rushen wrote: > On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:20:00 -0700, you wrote: > > >What criteria are you using to determine a ewe neck? > > A neck which is rather thin, and which looks "upside down". my goodness. i don't know if stjarni's neck is "upside down", bu

re:Re: [IceHorses] Dagur's eyes sores.

2007-08-28 Thread Jeannette Hoenig
He rubbed the >heck out of it. But they looked better until I put >more stuff on them. Lorraine, I hope that you have been stocked up on several fly masks so that each evening you can take it off when the sun is mostly set and wipe his eyes with a lint free towel. I the mornings, re-appl

Re: [IceHorses] question for Karen

2007-08-28 Thread Anneliese Virro
On 8/27/07 9:06 AM, "Janice McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/23/07, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Where do you get that zinc oxide stuff? >> >> Happy Trails from Lorraine >> > > from any store in the baby department. > Janice I suppose one could try that but I use THUYA

Re: [IceHorses] question for Karen

2007-08-28 Thread Anneliese Virro
On 8/27/07 10:48 AM, "Laree Shulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It is called THUYA ZINC OXIDE. > > > Is this different from plain ole' Desitin type zinc oxide?-- > > > Laree Yes, it's got thuya in it. Anneliese

RE: [IceHorses] Ouch / Tail Docking Shears

2007-08-28 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Annelise >>>Why amputate the poor dogs' tails at all? Because of the looks? Why not just leave tails alone - longer handle that way. Why do people have to fool around with mother nature at all? I hate the idea of cutting off parts of animals just because of fashion dictates. Just as I hate the

RE: [IceHorses] Interesting conformation thoughts

2007-08-28 Thread Karen Thomas
Even though Gusti may be three gaited, his trot is beautiful. I've often said it's because he has a long sloping shoulder, AND his trot is very economical. There is no wasted movement. Perfect for a riding OR driving horse. But horses don't NEED an upright shoulder in ord

Re: [IceHorses] Dagur's eyes sores.

2007-08-28 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 28/08/07, Cherie Mascis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe he's having some sort of skin reaction to his own tears? Maybe you > can put a thin layer of KY jelly on the shin to protect it from the tears? > Have you had a vet check his eyes? Do his eyes seem painful? What's causing > the runny ey

Re: [IceHorses] Dagur's eyes sores.

2007-08-28 Thread Cherie Mascis
Maybe he's having some sort of skin reaction to his own tears? Maybe you can put a thin layer of KY jelly on the shin to protect it from the tears? Have you had a vet check his eyes? Do his eyes seem painful? What's causing the runny eyes? Cherie

Re: [IceHorses] Interesting conformation thoughts

2007-08-28 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 28/08/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Next question...why does the FEIF promote knee action? What do the horses > gain from knee action? Nothing...maybe a bit of road founder though. > Is it in the best interest of those of who are in search of a smooth-gaited > trail horse? Ev

[IceHorses] Interesting conformation thoughts

2007-08-28 Thread Karen Thomas
I guess everyone knows that the "Wikipedia" is somewhat controversial, since people who may not be qualified can alter its content. But, I still find some useful compilations of information there. I did a google search for "horse conformation ewe neck" and found a whole article on conformation.

Re: [IceHorses] Ewe Neck

2007-08-28 Thread Mic Rushen
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:20:00 -0700, you wrote: >What criteria are you using to determine a ewe neck? A neck which is rather thin, and which looks "upside down". Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- So