> You're talking about what the Parelli folks call a "hackamore"? - I put it
> in quotes since it's not what a lot of people consider a hackamore.
> You're
> not talking about when you just ride with the lead rope and halter? >
Sometimes the halter; sometimes the Parelli "hackamore" (which is
I saw this cute MO Foxtrotter Mule on equine hits when I was rummaging
around. I know this is an icy list but it seems some are interested in
gaited mules as well. It sounds like she needs an understanding new
owner.
http://www.equinehits.com/horses-for-sale/horse-148673
Sarah
>> Have you watched him? While lots of what he says is not too bad, his
>> application is chocolate covered abuse in my opinion. The American
>> Humane
>> society considers that he has put back dog training 20 years.
>
> I should send your post to my daughter-in-law!!! Ha! She thinks the su
> My husband brought home the book Cesar's Way by Cesar Millan.
>
> Do you not have leash laws in California? In the first chapter he says
> he goes jogging every day on a public trail with 35 loose German
> Shepherds, Pitbulls, and Rotweillers - yikes! I understand the alpha
> dog mentality,
We had all of our horses freeze marked several years ago. At that time my
neighbor, Debbie Metcalf, had just started Stolen Horse International. She
had Debra Godby come to our town to freeze mark all of her horses. Between
the
two or us we had 9 horses freeze marked and none seemed to m
In a message dated 1/7/2008 1:38:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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As a breeder of Rottweilers I can tell you I do not let more than two dogs
together at a time. Also I am top dog here, but I have been bit breaking up a
fight between two females.
In a message dated 1/7/2008 2:20:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
Willie was in a blanket and a rain coat on top of that in a ten foot square
pipe corral. Now his box stall was thirty miles, away but he survived. He
checked out AAA with the vet ch
Hi Anna,
>>>We watched part (all we could stand) on Fri after the Dogtown show.
It's subtle. He'd grab the dog by the choker collar and hold his head
down against the couch or his leg. I suspect the dog had trouble
breathing. The poor spoiled little beagle looked scared to death.
How's this for
Hi Trish,
>>>Saw the Jillaroo mentioned on the treeless list...has anyone tried it?
http://loristack.com/efaus.htm
I bought one and the jury is still out. It is very wide in the front and to
me the panels which Velcro on and are one piece that goes along the panel
and then down the front of the
On Jan 7, 2008 7:53 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I honestly don't remember him staying in a stall long enough that
I would have cleaned a stall with him inside...probably I did, but I
can't remember it now. We do most of our paddock cleaning with the
tractor's front-end loader,
Saw the Jillaroo mentioned on the treeless list...has anyone tried it?
http://loristack.com/efaus.htm
When you look at the underside of the "panels", they look kind of kind of
lumpy and uneven, giving me the impression it's not anywhere nearly as nice
quality as some of the other brands - Se
On Jan 7, 2008 7:57 PM, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I guess I haven't watched enough of his shows--the few I've seen
> didn't show any abuse. What is he doing that is wrong?
>
We watched part (all we could stand) on Fri after the Dogtown show.
It's subtle. He'd grab the dog by
The rope is tied to the bottom of the halter (not to either side of the
halter - or bridle) - so I think when you pick up on the rein it doesn't
translate to pressure on the right side of the face as well as a bit
translates to pressure on the side of the mouth (or face if you use a side
pull)
The huge problem with all of these is that it doesn't give the "finder"
a way to contact the owner. No one brands their home phone number onto
their horse. People move/get new phones. My horses are microchipped but
not
everyone checks. However, if they do check, they will get a current pho
On Jan 7, 2008 5:06 PM,
> > Have you watched him? While lots of what he says is not too bad, his
> > application is chocolate covered abuse in my opinion. The American Humane
> > society considers that he has put back dog training 20 years.
I guess I haven't watched enough of his shows--the few
>>> I brought him home in October and have been letting him settle in before
>>> riding him. I worked with him on two separate weekends at Karen's, one at
>>> a Liz Grave's clinic, but I can tell he is not 100% comfortable and
>>> settled. He is more so now, but still not quite as settled. W
Saw the Jillaroo mentioned on the treeless list...has anyone tried it?
http://loristack.com/efaus.htm
Trish
On Jan 7, 2008 11:48 AM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Very nice indeed! I can't believe he was that relaxed. Obviously you've
> done your preparation.
I just wanted to make sure that I clarified that this wasn't Falki's
first ride. He has many miles on him and is well trained. It
Good for them, Sylvia, for even starting. I heard that it was pretty rainy
and muddy. I always feel sorry for the horses out tied to the trailer in
the pouring rain. We haven't actually had the experience, but I've heard
some pretty grizzly stories.
Nancy
I was hoping there was a simple answer, like measuring from the tree
points or something. Maybe I will contact the manufacturer. Or, I can
measure in inches and take a picture with the ruler in front of the saddle
gullet.
Sorry, nothing about saddle fit is easy!
For fun, you could take a
In a message dated 1/5/2008 9:29:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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Runa is very nice and you can also see she is trying to balance herself too.
I am still going thru this with Willie. He has to do the balance thing going
down funky hills with rocks
> BTW, the standard units are centimeters, not millimeters...
Thanks...it was a typo...
>
> Another (better?) option might be to beg or borrow a Wintec gauge and
> describe that the tree is "similar" in width to {whichever} Wintec
gullet.
I have a wintec gauge, but I am sure the saddle is w
Where do I measure on the saddle to get the width in mm?
Once upon a time, I knew that answer...I THINK it's something like this:
measure down 7" (?) from the center of the pommel arch, and at that point,
measure across the tree from panel to panel. The tricky part is that all
saddle manufa
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 01:36:20PM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote:
> Can shoes be changed in the middle of a competition / show / evaluation?
i don't know about icey-specific ones, but it's common in eventing to
alter shoes -- typically adding studs for traction for the field.
stjarni got trimmed again
Can shoes be changed in the middle of a competition / show / evaluation?
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
> Have you watched him? While lots of what he says is not too bad, his
> application is chocolate covered abuse in my opinion. The American Humane
> society considers that he has put back dog training 20 years.
I should send your post to my daughter-in-law!!! Ha! She thinks the sun rises
a
Hi
>>My husband brought home the book Cesar's Way by Cesar Millan.
Have you watched him? While lots of what he says is not too bad, his
application is chocolate covered abuse in my opinion. The American Humane
society considers that he has put back dog training 20 years.
Robyn
Icelandic Horse
> Do you not have leash laws in California?
> he goes jogging every day on a public trail with 35
> loose German
> Shepherds, Pitbulls, and Rotweillers
Yes, we have leash laws here. I don't care who he
thinks he is, one cannot completely predict nor
control a dogs behavior..especially whe
My husband brought home the book Cesar's Way by Cesar Millan.
Do you not have leash laws in California? In the first chapter he says
he goes jogging every day on a public trail with 35 loose German
Shepherds, Pitbulls, and Rotweillers - yikes! I understand the alpha
dog mentality, but I don't
You can see them at this link
http://farmgallisa.googlepages.com/horseglitter
thank you Lisa
Iowa
> Good for her! Glad she was neither hurt or too badly scared.
thanks and ME TOO! i cannot tell you how terrifying it was to see
stjarni galloping up the hill back to the barn alone, and how wonderful
to see my student was all right. i'm still having emotional whiplash.
--vicka
> my student made a comment that i think indicated great insight on her
> part: "i guess even though he will take care of me he has a mind of his
> own and i have to pay attention to him too." she's a wise child :)
>
Good for her! Glad she was neither hurt or too badly scared.
Nancy>
Hi Micthat's for correct that!!
Here are a few on-line saddle fit videos:
http://iceryder.net/videosaddlefit.html
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
I am selling a saddle and it is relatively wide compared to the other
English saddle I have. However, I purchased it used with the horse so
I never got the details regarding width.
Where do I measure on the saddle to get the width in mm?
-Kristen in MI
On Jan 7, 2008 11:32 AM, Lynn Kinsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My grey horses scar dark, but I think that is basically because the
> scar is somewhat bald and the dark skin shows through.
i dont think so! My grey horses scar dark but it is dark hair. it
may have something to do with the b
> I've seen only white freeze brands and I can't even understand where
> the dark colour would come from. White is there because the cells that
> produce colour pigments are sufficiently damaged not to work anymore
My grey horses scar dark, but I think that is basically because the
scar is s
On Jan 7, 2008 10:29 AM, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> When saddles look like they sit on the horse like a hat, kind of perched and
> often looking a bit downhill the tree is generally too narrow.
i thought in the pic tho, she just showed the front view at the
shoulders. Did I miss a
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:59:46 +0200 (EET), you wrote:
> That is why Freeze Branding is more visible. As the hair changes
>> color. White hair turns dark. Dark hair turns white.
White hair cannot turn dark! If a grey/white horse is freeze branded,
the brand must be applied for longer to kill the h
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 06:54:40PM -0800, Nancy Sturm wrote:
> > (even stjarni, who came back from a trail ride sans rider todayargh!
> > :)
> >
> Oops - you okay?
i'm fine -- i wasn't even there, i'd lent him to one of my students to
go trail riding with her dad. she dropped the reins and
Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti:
> That is why Freeze Branding is more visible. As the hair changes
> color. White hair turns dark. Dark hair turns white.
I've seen only white freeze brands and I can't even understand where the dark
colour would come from. White is there because the cells
On Jan 7, 2008, at 5:30 AM, Janice McDonald wrote:
>
> I would never hot brand a horse, I am leery of microchipping cause of
> cancer concerns. I MIGHT consider freeze branding or tattooing altho
> they say tattooing wears off, you could do it every few years or
> something.
Every mustang gathere
>>Some states require brands? I think
Many of the western states require brands.
>>at least they require you to have some brand official record when
you travel state to state?
What they require is a Brand Inspection. Which is done by a brand
inspector when you cross the state lines. If you hor
>>hot branding is my German bred Icelandic Fjóla. If she has any hair,
it's impossible to see she has a brand (even in summertime), but when
she's shaved totally bald, you can see it
That is why Freeze Branding is more visible. As the hair changes
color. White hair turns dark. Dark hair turns wh
Very nice indeed! I can't believe he was that relaxed. Obviously you've
done your preparation.
Nancy
. I have helped with tatooing racehorses, too,
> and that doesn't seem to bother them much. The tatoo set up is like a
> twitch with the space to put the tatoo built in (if that makes sense). The
> whole tatoo is preset in a bar thingy. So, they are twitched, the ink
> applied, tatoo needles go i
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 02:00:33 -0800, you wrote:
>See:
>(http://www.wildlifeinformation.org/Subdirectories_for_Search2/
>SampleTechs/P07PainPrev_Cattle_Branding.htm)
>
Thanks Lynn, that's exactly the sort of useful information I'm after.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
Hi Janice,
>>what in the pic shows it is too narrow. Maybe you could explain, and
maybe show a pic of a saddle that does fit? If there is any such
treed saddle that will fit an icelandic??
When saddles look like they sit on the horse like a hat, kind of perched and
often looking a bit downhill
On Jan 7, 2008 10:39 AM, Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> always wondered about the tattoos that race horses have inside
> their upper lips. That must be a pretty awful experience.
>
> From having a tattoos on my body, I can NOT imagine the pain from a
> lip tattoo. OUCH!
We have had our do
Hi Sylvia,
>>Robyn, Who is the young horse that is high stepping in the snow that is a
buckskin? I talked to the people that are going to buy a colt. They are very
interested in you boy.
He is a very nice colt of the same age. His mother is a buckskin and father
Segull. His grandfather is Le
well i for one am impressed. I am still wondering if susan is
flooded. I think she is near where the truckee flooded. And I saw a
paddock full of horses on the news, standing belly deep in icey
watrer! I felt so bad,
janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
what in the pic shows it is too narrow. Maybe you could explain, and
maybe show a pic of a saddle that does fit? If there is any such
treed saddle that will fit an icelandic?? I dont think i have seen
one yet.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
> However, there are other less painful ways of marking horses. Some
> endurance riders get pet ID tags and braid them into the mane.
I haven't seen a horse get freeze branded but I am told, FWIW, that it is
not painful. I have seen horses get hot branded and have had to deal with
them af
>> always wondered about the tattoos that race horses have inside
their upper lips. That must be a pretty awful experience.
>From having a tattoos on my body, I can NOT imagine the pain from a
lip tattoo. OUCH!
Raven
Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn
Okay...here's what I found when I googled.
Here's some links to pain response in cattle during Hot Branding,
Freeze Branding and Sham Branding.
BTW...Sham Branding is when a room temperature brand up against the
cattle. It's just used to record response, no branding actually
occurs.
Behavior of c
>> What evidence do you have that freeze branding is more humane and
safer than hot branding?
Oh...forgot to mention thisHot Branding is a 3rd Degree Burn! Raven
What about ear notching that is done in Iceland. I find that rather inhumane.
Raven
Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess
Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this
Animals react more painfully to hot branding. Think about it...you
are burning the animal's skin to create a mark. You also have a higher
rate of infection with a hot brand.
A freeze brand does not damage the skin...what is does it is damage
the skin producing hair cells. In dark hair animals the
>>>What evidence do you have that freeze branding is more humane and
> safer than hot branding?
>
ok as I freeze brand my horses, they have to stand still for 60 seconds for
freeze brand to make the hair turn white to get totally nude they have to stand
for at least 30 more second. and I freeze
i had a "wide tree" icelandic, a jorge canaves by thornhill, I sold on
ebay. It was 30 cm. jaspar hated it.,
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
In a message dated 1/6/2008 4:28:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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Robyn, Who is the young horse that is high stepping in the snow that is a
buckskin? I talked to the people that are going to buy a colt. They are very
interested in you boy. Sylvia
my nasi's mom got a hot brand when she came to US but she was in
Texas, where hot branding (yipie tie yie yo) is a big deal.There was
some discussion on some list re: brands recently. Some states require
brands? I think. Or at least they require you to have some brand
official record when you tr
> What evidence do you have that freeze branding is more humane and
> safer than hot branding?
See:
(http://www.wildlifeinformation.org/Subdirectories_for_Search2/
SampleTechs/P07PainPrev_Cattle_Branding.htm)
Personally, if I was going to brand a horse I'd treat it like a
castration or t
On Jan 7, 2008 11:50 AM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We get the camera out in Southern Oregon when we get this much snow.
It's pretty!
V
We had a nice plain old useful grade driving pony that had reportedly come
from Texas. Dusty had a brand the size of a saucer on his left flank. Even
the vet commented on the size of it.
This is the same vet that brands all of Amber Applegate's horses. She lost
one on a camping trip and is p
Hi Laree,
>>It caused a big sore that took months to heal and left a scar that was
big and ugly and didn't look like anything. What a mess and that poor
horse went through a lot of pain.
How awful. There is also a blockage that happens to meridians with any
scarring so to do it on purpose seems
> That's a good question, I can't imagine that either is particularly
> pleasant.
We had a dressage instructor that had a Percheron cross he showed and
wanted it registered in the American Warmblood association. He had
his farrier hot brand him with the Am. Warmblood brand. The farrier
had only
Hi Judy
>>We are having an on-line video making / youtube thread on the ClickRyder
list if you want to read (archives are open).
Thanks I will look it up as I can't seem to send video (tried to you)
because the files are too big even though I just shot for 10-15 sec at a
time.
Robyn
Icelandic
Hi Nancy,
>>You get he award for beautifully lit photographs.
Thanks but it was just dumb luck, I had the setting on my digital camera on
the wrong one - it was set for night instead of sun background. Oh well it
worked.
Icelandic Horse Farm
Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
www.icefar
Hi Mic,
>>What evidence do you have that freeze branding is more humane and
safer than hot branding?
That's a good question, I can't imagine that either is particularly
pleasant.
Robyn
Icelandic Horse Farm
Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
www.icefarm.com
On Jan 6, 2008 11:29 PM, Penelope Hodge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Getting there, but I think Gat is THE Perfect Pony. :D
> > V
> >
>
> well, she is pretty cute, but... Actually - what a pair! they both have
> great smiles!
>
I think so too! :D
V
>>> Ohmygoodness! with flowers, even! What will they think of next?
That one is literally a "pony" sized halter, and I got it on sale. Sina
has a small head for an Icelandic - I thought I'd use it for the fillies,
but since it fit her, she got it.
Funny, isn't it - all these Perfect Princes
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 13:29:35 -0600, you wrote:
>Mic...freeze branding is much more humane as well as safer. Please
>think about using that method, instead.
I don't use either method - we use microchips on Icelandics in the UK.
I am simply trying to find out what other people think about it.
Wha
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