Re: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-25 Thread Debbie K.
I knew that question was going to come up, I only saw it done a couple times as a kid, at the training barns, So, I am not positive I remember it exactly, I was thinking about this last night, after I wrote it... Cause I knew the question would follow... I never did it personally... they hook the

RE: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-25 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Karen, There are genuinely gaited Arabs. Have you seen that video of the one (owned by the lady who makes the rhythm beads) doing a foxtrot? I haven't seen that video but I have seen gaited Arabs, Morgans, QH's. It is quite interesting how the shoes, way he is ridden, posture etc is affectin

RE: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-25 Thread Virginia Tupper
>From: Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To me his action looks like a combination of natural action, weighted shoes >and perhaps elastics to make his knees snappier - what do you think Debbie >or anyone else familiar with the use of elastics. Elastics!! Where would they put elastics? V _

RE: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-24 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> That is a really good question. I don't really think that many people in any breed dissect the gaits - they look for the action but I doubt they look at the foot fall sequence - pretty interesting. I know I've heard from vets that there are a lot of lameness problems in the show Saddlebreds

Re: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-24 Thread Debbie K.
Karen, I wish I was in the same room with you watching this horse, and I wish we could go to some pastures and watch some horses moving... you would be fun to do that with... You see things I have not thought about often in a long time... it would be funt to discuss this horse and others in person.

RE: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-24 Thread Karen Thomas
Interesting pictures Judy, maybe that is why I always felt the Arabs, even though this is a Saddlebred, were gaited we should take a look at other pictures of other horses too.. very interesting... There are genuinely gaited Arabs. Have you seen that video of the one (owned by the lady

RE: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-24 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Karen, >>>Can you have both - a pure trot and that much knee action? I'm not sure you can. That is a really good question. I don't really think that many people in any breed dissect the gaits - they look for the action but I doubt they look at the foot fall sequence - pretty interesting.

RE: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-24 Thread Karen Thomas
His diagonal timing is closer at liberty, yet not perfect (see attached), than under saddle. Studying this horse has been just fascinating to me today - maybe because I know he's not Icelandic, so hopefully we can discuss him openly without anyone taking offense. I've stared at h

Re: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-24 Thread Debbie K.
Interesting pictures Judy, maybe that is why I always felt the Arabs, even though this is a Saddlebred, were gaited we should take a look at other pictures of other horses too.. very interesting... Debbie in MN ~ Please check out how we can all help raise money for Huginn's Hospital Fund ~

RE: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-24 Thread Karen Thomas
I don't see a conformation picture of him on the website, but I would guess that he has a sloping shoulder from his movement. Ok, I feel better. But didn't someone say he has an upright shoulder, as if it were a given? Oh well. I think his ride is uncomfortable, not because

RE: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-24 Thread Karen Thomas
Yes, shorter strides...so if you are seeing some reach in this horse...I would suggest it's not there naturally. Ok, can we back up a minute? I admit - I'm very susceptible to optical illusions, so maybe I'm just off base. Does the Saddlebred in the "freak show" video really have a

Re: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-24 Thread Debbie K.
what happens is the rider is out of balance, see that stupid hunch in the rider... they think they can ride this way, but they lack strength in the knee and thigh, so they hit those kidneys hard, there are many who ride this way... I think it started YEARS ago, when a fancy horse came in and the ri

Re: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-24 Thread Judy Ryder
> Does the Saddlebred in the video have a straight shoulder? Susan originally said: >>I watched the video of this horse and what I want to know is when you see the man riding this horse, is he just a lousy rider, or does this type of "park" trot make posting impossible?<<< I don't see a confor

Re: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-24 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 24/08/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A straight shoulder would give a more jarring ride for the rider. > As in shorter strides, that sort of pound the ground, right? Yes, shorter strides...so if you are seeing some reach in this horse...I would suggest it's not there natura

RE: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-24 Thread Karen Thomas
A straight shoulder would give a more jarring ride for the rider. As in shorter strides, that sort of pound the ground, right? Does the Saddlebred in the video have a straight shoulder? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [IceHorses] Straight Shoulders

2007-08-24 Thread Judy Ryder
> I refuse to look at the video again, but if he does have a straight > shoulder, AND plenty of animation in frontthat would indicate to > me that there was some sort of man made interference with his stride. > > A straight shoulder would/should indicate a fairly economical stride > in front