Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-07 Thread Nancy Sturm
Extremely cool stuff! Do you know if the same horse is used in each radiograph? He's not a very happy horse. Nancy

RE: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-07 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Lorraine Do you know the website? Is it Kaaren Jordan that has the treeless saddles? I tryed a sidepull on Scooter and he started bolting. But it was a cheap one. I may have had it on wrong. Probably. Geeezz One of Kaaren's website is www.kaarenjordan.com but there may be something

Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-07 Thread Judy Ryder
Extremely cool stuff! Do you know if the same horse is used in each radiograph? He's not a very happy horse. Here's Hilary's article, in two parts, which may tell you more: http://cvm.msu.edu/dressage/Upload/Clayton%20archives%20for%20WWW/USDF_Dec05.pdf

Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 06/08/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To find the right bit fit how much should be hanging out of the sides of their mouth? Any at all. I have always been a hackamore girl. I am not sure if he takes a 5 or a 41/2 Take a lead rope and pop it in his mouth, and hold it on either side

Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Nancy Sturm
I think there is a bit-measuring goodie out there. Someone probably knows. Our Icelandics use a 4 1/2 and a 4 3/4. A 5 would be too wide for them. If you took English lessons, then you know that when the snaffle is too wide, it has even more of the nutcracker action that people complain of.

Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Nancy Sturm
Wanda - you're so smart! Nancy

RE: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Karen Thomas
I think there is a bit-measuring goodie out there. Someone probably knows. Our Icelandics use a 4 1/2 and a 4 3/4. A 5 would be too wide for them. If you took English lessons, then you know that when the snaffle is too wide, it has even more of the nutcracker action that people complain of.

Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Judy Ryder
To find the right bit fit how much should be hanging out of the sides of their mouth? Any at all. I have always been a hackamore girl. I am not sure if he takes a 5 or a 41/2 Icelandic heads are sometimes small, sometimes large! I don't think there's a general rule about what size bit

RE: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Lorraine
That's right. You don't want a bit so narrow that it rubs the corners of the mouth, but if it's too wide, the edges won't be supported by the bars, Should I try the lead rope thing? Happy Trails from Lorraine

Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Lorraine
wide, it has even more of the nutcracker action that people complain of. Nancy Nancy, What is the nutcracker effect? Dumb question I am sure. That must mean it pinchs right? Happy Trails from Lorraine

Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Lorraine
Take a lead rope and pop it in his mouth, and hold it on either side I measured the bit that came withScooter. It is a 5. But that bit I didn't like. It was hard to stop him too. Must be me. Oh man.. Happy Trails from Lorraine

Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Lorraine
Do you have different size bits to try in his mouth? For a snaffle, I would suggest a double jointed mouthpiece (not the single jointed), something like a french link (not Dr. Bristol), eggbutt or D-ring. I have about 20 bits. I like to try everything. Also like to shop. I have a

Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Nancy Sturm
The bit will collapse in the horse's mouth, pinching the corners of his lips and stabbing him in the roof of his mouth. You can play with it in your hands to see what it might do. I actually usually use a French-link snaffle. It is a little less likely to break in the middle and tuen into a

Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Lorraine
My two use a standard Icelandic size bitless bridle made by Kaaren's husband. They are more relaxed and responsive, easier to stop on the trail in case of a spook, and I don't have to worry what size the bits should be or in what way they are making my horses uncomfortable. Sue Do

Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 06/08/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nancy, What is the nutcracker effect? Dumb question I am sure. That must mean it pinchs right? I'm not Nancy, but the nutcracker effect means that the bit has a single joint that can poke the soft pallet on the roof of the horses mouth, while

Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Judy Ryder
the nutcracker effect means that the bit has a single joint that can poke the soft pallet on the roof of the horses mouth, while 'cracking' down on the jawline along the bars of the horse's lower jaw. Here are some bit radiographs: http://iceryder.net/bitradiographs.html This is with the

Re: [IceHorses] another snaffle or just bit question

2007-08-06 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 06/08/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Wanda, I am getting names mixed up because everyone is trying to help me. And thanks for the answer Oh no Lori...I just butted in...There may have been a message from Nancy that I was missing in the conversation. My email has not been the